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Millard Fillmore
 
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Franklin Pierce
 
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James Buchanan
 
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« on: June 16, 2017, 02:26:53 PM »

Pick your poison.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2017, 02:35:33 PM »

Fillmore(xenophobes>Kansas-Nebraska Act supporters)

1. Fillmore
2. Pierce
3. Buchanan
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2017, 03:33:20 PM »

At least Pierce was good looking.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2017, 04:48:05 PM »

Pierce was a New Englander and may have had the excuse of mental illness.
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2017, 04:51:29 PM »

Fillmore for founding the college I'll be attending
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2017, 04:54:04 PM »


White Russian.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2017, 07:25:52 PM »

Fillmore(xenophobes>Kansas-Nebraska Act supporters)

1. Fillmore
2. Pierce
3. Buchanan
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2017, 08:04:17 PM »

Pierce for the Bowdoin connection.
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2017, 12:19:18 AM »

Fillmore(xenophobes>Kansas-Nebraska Act supporters)

1. Fillmore
2. Pierce
3. Buchanan

Fillmore wasn't much of a xenophobe. He hitched his wagon to the Know Nothings in order to provide a platform for his Whig pro-Union moderate heroism.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2017, 12:34:44 PM »

Fillmore, because the Compromise of 1850 wasn't as bad as the Kansas-Nebraska Act and he wasn't as incompetent as Buchanan. Also, he was a Whig while Pierce and Buchanan were Democrats.
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2017, 11:07:41 AM »

3 people voted for Buchanan? Are they Confederate sympathisers?
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2017, 12:04:12 PM »

Pierce was mentally incompetent for office. Fillmore and Buchanan were just bad at politics.

Pierce wins on the grounds that being mentally ill is at least a reasonable excuse for being a terrible president.

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2017, 12:08:24 PM »

Wow, ugh.  I guess Pierce for feeling really, really bad for him on a personal level?
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2017, 12:11:30 PM »

this is like choosing between three rotten balls of lettuce.

i guess i choose fillmore.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2017, 01:51:51 PM »

I guess Pierce helped Japan begin its path towards modernization.
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2017, 11:04:06 AM »

Good God, these are terrible. I voted for Fillmore as the only veritable Unionist, and because the Compromise of 1850 is slightly less terrible than turning Kansas into a killing field and forcing through the Dred Scott decision. Needless to say, all three deserve to be pilloried for their appeasement (Fillmore) and/or calculated empowerment (Pierce, Buchanan) of the slave power.
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 12:25:21 PM »

Wow, ugh.  I guess Pierce for feeling really, really bad for him on a personal level?

His son died at age 11 in a gory stagecoach accident that both he and his wife witnessed. That definitely had an impact. Buchanan was a lifelong bachelor.
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 12:27:50 PM »

Wow, ugh.  I guess Pierce for feeling really, really bad for him on a personal level?

His son died at age 11 in a gory stagecoach accident that both he and his wife witnessed. That definitely had an impact. Buchanan was a lifelong bachelor.

I've always been an Andrew Johnson hater (and still am, largely), but as I've gotten older, it has become very clear that Buchanan is my least favorite President of all time.  I'll also say that almost all of the "bad Presidents" are probably a little better than we all might think, but Buchanan actively encouraged civil war.
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2017, 12:35:38 PM »

Ouch. Aside from the simple fact of presiding over the decade before the Civil War, two of these three presidents saw their own party self-destruct, while the other (Pierce) was the first elected president to be denied re-nomination.

I guess Fillmore, Pierce, and Buchanan in that order, though I suspect that Pierce was actually the most incompetent (but not the most harmful).
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2017, 12:39:22 PM »

Wow, ugh.  I guess Pierce for feeling really, really bad for him on a personal level?

His son died at age 11 in a gory stagecoach accident that both he and his wife witnessed. That definitely had an impact. Buchanan was a lifelong bachelor.

I've always been an Andrew Johnson hater (and still am, largely), but as I've gotten older, it has become very clear that Buchanan is my least favorite President of all time.  I'll also say that almost all of the "bad Presidents" are probably a little better than we all might think, but Buchanan actively encouraged civil war.

I really have to study more about the 19th century presidents after Jackson and before Cleveland aside from the Civil War & Lincoln I've not done a lot of reading on the era for me to really rank them in this way.
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2017, 01:05:28 PM »

Wow, ugh.  I guess Pierce for feeling really, really bad for him on a personal level?

His son died at age 11 in a gory stagecoach accident that both he and his wife witnessed. That definitely had an impact. Buchanan was a lifelong bachelor.

I've always been an Andrew Johnson hater (and still am, largely), but as I've gotten older, it has become very clear that Buchanan is my least favorite President of all time.  I'll also say that almost all of the "bad Presidents" are probably a little better than we all might think, but Buchanan actively encouraged civil war.

I really have to study more about the 19th century presidents after Jackson and before Cleveland aside from the Civil War & Lincoln I've not done a lot of reading on the era for me to really rank them in this way.


This is a while back, but I did a high school paper where I ironically tried to defend Buchanan; this turned out to be harder than I thought, though my available selection of historians no doubt added somewhat to this difficulty. In the months prior to his inauguration, Buchanan wrote each Supreme Court justice regarding what he hoped the verdict of Dred Scott would be, hoping that a pro-slavery judicial ruling would settle the issue once and for all. In the last months of his administration, members of his cabinet sold off federal and military equipment to the forming Confederacy; meanwhile, Buchanan stated that he didn't support the secession, but that there was little he could do about it. I can't remember much else for the moment, other than that he earned the nickname "Ten Cent Jimmy" for his lack of response to the Panic of 1857.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2017, 01:09:17 PM »

Wow, ugh.  I guess Pierce for feeling really, really bad for him on a personal level?

His son died at age 11 in a gory stagecoach accident that both he and his wife witnessed. That definitely had an impact. Buchanan was a lifelong bachelor.

I've always been an Andrew Johnson hater (and still am, largely), but as I've gotten older, it has become very clear that Buchanan is my least favorite President of all time.  I'll also say that almost all of the "bad Presidents" are probably a little better than we all might think, but Buchanan actively encouraged civil war.

I really have to study more about the 19th century presidents after Jackson and before Cleveland aside from the Civil War & Lincoln I've not done a lot of reading on the era for me to really rank them in this way.


This is a while back, but I did a high school paper where I ironically tried to defend Buchanan; this turned out to be harder than I thought, though my available selection of historians no doubt added somewhat to this difficulty. In the months prior to his inauguration, Buchanan wrote each Supreme Court justice regarding what he hoped the verdict of Dred Scott would be, hoping that a pro-slavery judicial ruling would settle the issue once and for all. In the last months of his administration, members of his cabinet sold off federal and military equipment to the forming Confederacy; meanwhile, Buchanan stated that he didn't support the secession, but that there was little he could do about it. I can't remember much else for the moment, other than that he earned the nickname "Ten Cent Jimmy" for his lack of response to the Panic of 1857.

I gained a LITTLE bit of sympathy for him when I read his conversation to the incoming President Lincoln ... will post a direct quote later when I can.  Anyway, it did kind of make you feel sorry for the situation he inherited, but that doesn't excuse his actions during it.
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