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« on: June 16, 2017, 11:32:07 PM »

Who do you think is the most to blame for Hillary Clinton's loss?

I think it's James Comey for the investigation or Anthony Weiner for having the emails on his computer.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2017, 11:33:37 PM »

Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2017, 11:51:56 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2017, 12:00:19 AM »

A combination of the following -

Putin
Comey
Bernie-bros
Bernie Sanders
Obama (And his good looks)
DWS (And DNC)
Misogynistic & sexist people
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2017, 12:10:04 AM »

A combination of the following -

Putin
Comey
Bernie-bros
Bernie Sanders
Obama (And his good looks)
DWS (And DNC's poor data )
Misogynistic & sexist people


Fixed.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2017, 12:52:04 AM »

Robby Mook.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2017, 03:16:04 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2017, 01:55:38 PM »

Trump, actually. He ran a competent campaign.
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2017, 04:35:18 PM »

The people of the United States. Her loss represents a collective failure of the country.
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2017, 06:23:43 PM »

Hillary.

Comey may have been the final straw, but the race never should've gotten that close in the first place.
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2017, 06:33:20 PM »

Comey. Hillary's campaign definitely wasn't what it could have been, but without Comey's letter she probably would've won.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2017, 06:47:22 PM »

Hillary.

Comey may have been the final straw, but the race never should've gotten that close in the first place.

This is based on the assumption that republicans would have crawled over glass to vote for Booker or Gillibrand? The only Democrat with modern LBJ-style bipartisan appeal is Biden. Not even Obama could have pulled that off.

Her strategy was to court republicans, this incidentally also damaged the downballot, her strategy was robust enough to even withstand the wikileaks releases, it wasn't until Comey that it came apart. Remember, Comey was ultimately influenced by a forged russian document.
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2017, 10:54:30 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2017, 11:59:49 PM »

The people of the United States. Her loss represents a collective failure of the country.

This, although it's incredibly important to always remember that the American voters chose Hillary to be president by a nearly 3 million vote margin, only to have their voice stomped out by the Deplorable College.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2017, 04:50:06 AM »

Bill Clinton for meeting with Loretta Lynch, damaging trust in the email investigation and thus precipitating the disastrous chain of events that led to Comey's press conference and his letter on October 28.
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2017, 08:46:45 AM »

The people of the United States. Her loss represents a collective failure of the country.

This, although it's incredibly important to always remember that the American voters chose Hillary to be president by a nearly 3 million vote margin, only to have their voice stomped out by the Deplorable College.

She knew the rules of the game before she played. She knew she needed electoral votes and she neglected to even visit places like Wisconsin.
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2017, 10:21:32 AM »
« Edited: June 18, 2017, 08:44:34 PM by Pollster »

I'm going to leave out Russia since the true impact they had is difficult to measure.

1. The electoral college.
This archaic system has now elected two leaders in the past 20 years that the country did not want. This continues to be evidenced by the tanking approval ratings both faced.

2. The Clinton campaign.
Blaming HRC alone for her loss when very few strategic decisions were actually made by her is too harsh. Mook's strategies were well-intentioned but ill-executed, and his reliance on modeling even when the data from the ground didn't match up is inexcusable.

3. James Comey
Comey's activity in the final weeks of the campaign swung undecided voters towards Trump, especially in key areas. Comey will likely go down in history as the man who began the end of the Trump presidency but it must be remembered that he also helped to cause it.

4. Voter suppression laws.
In many states with strict voter suppression laws, especially those with high AA populations, Trump received fewer votes than Romney but managed to win due to massive drop-offs from Obama to Clinton. Lessened enthusiasm is certainly a factor but to ignore the impact of voter suppression laws would be a mistake.

5. Bernie Sanders
Sanders' campaign made HRC's platform better and energized voters, but his refusal to accept defeat when it was evident early on was far more catastrophic than it was played out to be. Every day from then on, he made HRC weaker. His nonsensical assertions that the primary was rigged despite the fact that one of his top advisors helped craft the rules (and the media's refusal to call his BS on this) should and hopefully will be vilified in history as much as the coverage of the emails.

6. Media
As briefly mentioned above, the media allowed virtually all of HRC's opponents to run amock and gave Trump especially billions of dollars in free airtime while covering all of her admitted missteps and gaffes acutely and in the harshest possible terms.
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2017, 11:26:19 AM »

Still Jim Comey....
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2017, 12:11:30 PM »

People in this thread are underestimating just how good of a candidate Trump was. Yes, a better Dem campaign would have likely won. But the blame for Hillary's loss was from multiple factors, multiple people, not just Hillary (lol), and Trump's competent campaign, which won over places like Erie County PA, enables him to vault over all others (even if he fairly wouldn't get all the credit for his win).
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2017, 01:07:15 PM »

Bill Clinton for meeting with Loretta Lynch, damaging trust in the email investigation and thus precipitating the disastrous chain of events that led to Comey's press conference and his letter on October 28.

Except Comey was considering going public even before that. He had already made plans as a result of the forged russian intelligence document. Had it not been for that document, Comey would've been caught off-guard, and the investigation would've been closed by the DOJ without much issue.
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2017, 01:10:14 PM »

The people of the United States. Her loss represents a collective failure of the country.

This, although it's incredibly important to always remember that the American voters chose Hillary to be president by a nearly 3 million vote margin, only to have their voice stomped out by the Deplorable College.

She knew the rules of the game before she played. She knew she needed electoral votes and she neglected to even visit places like Wisconsin.

That's because her strategy was based on courting republicans, it was working until Comey.
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2017, 01:49:41 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2017, 02:05:13 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2017, 01:38:56 AM »

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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2017, 09:56:36 AM »

Bernard and his bros.
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