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« on: June 17, 2017, 05:43:16 PM »

Well?
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2017, 05:44:20 PM »

Yeah.  Get rid of 'em. 
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2017, 05:55:38 PM »

No (likes having the number 50 as the amount of states)
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2017, 06:08:21 PM »

No (likes having the number 50 as the amount of states)
(Same reason we should just give D. C. and Puerto Rico the appropriate amount of Representatives and two Senators.)
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2017, 06:16:07 PM »

I've always found it odd this area voted for Carol Moseley Braun in 1992 but not Obama in either of his presidential bids.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2017, 06:25:44 PM »

If they want to. I probably would if i lived there.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2017, 06:29:16 PM »

Yeah, and so should upstate NY.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2017, 07:43:57 PM »

yes
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2017, 08:32:14 PM »

No, because then they wouldn't elect Massive FFs like Durbin and Kirk.
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2017, 10:29:38 PM »

No (likes having the number 50 as the amount of states)
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2017, 10:34:38 PM »

It would probably make sense for them to, but I think Green Line or some other Illinoisan said that the cultural and geographical divisions in the state go beyond Chicagoland/downstate, and that it could be divided into three or four states.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2017, 10:51:39 PM »


Good luck upstate...NYC taxpayers fund like 80% of the state
Yeah, we're ed without NYC. Funnily enough, a common complaint among Republicans I know is that our taxes all just go to NYC, because that's exactly how it works.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2017, 01:54:26 AM »

downstate IL ----> IN
northwest indiana ----> IL
upstate ny ----> pa
philly + de + nj ---> nyc metro
wyoming ----> wisconsin

k bye
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2017, 02:11:28 AM »

Yes. I don't care if it hurts my party, it's just the right thing for the sake of community representation.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2017, 09:36:27 AM »

No.  The Democrats can't afford to lose any more electoral votes.
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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2017, 04:54:08 PM »

No, but lower Missouri should.
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2017, 04:59:20 PM »

No, and we don't want to, I really want this horrid hypothetical to die, etc.  Illinois is a great and diverse state, from Chicago to Cairo, and we like it that way!

Should the rest of [state] secede from [its biggest city]?  Only an idiot voted yes.
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2017, 06:35:49 PM »

No, and we don't want to, I really want this horrid hypothetical to die, etc.  Illinois is a great and diverse state, from Chicago to Cairo, and we like it that way!

Should the rest of [state] secede from [its biggest city]?  Only an idiot voted yes.
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2017, 06:47:13 PM »

No, and we don't want to, I really want this horrid hypothetical to die, etc.  Illinois is a great and diverse state, from Chicago to Cairo, and we like it that way!

Should the rest of [state] secede from [its biggest city]?  Only an idiot voted yes.

Southern illinois should just rename itself Northern Kentucky. 
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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2017, 06:53:35 PM »

Yes, it'd be like our own San Marino!
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2017, 07:08:13 PM »

No, and we don't want to, I really want this horrid hypothetical to die, etc.  Illinois is a great and diverse state, from Chicago to Cairo, and we like it that way!

Should the rest of [state] secede from [its biggest city]?  Only an idiot voted yes.

Southern illinois should just rename itself Northern Kentucky. 

"Northern Kentucky should just rename itself Southern Illinois."
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2017, 09:20:45 PM »

Yes. I don't care if it hurts my party, it's just the right thing for the sake of community representation.

Uh, no it's not. The new state would be an economic basket case and would have no money. Much like upstate NY downstate Illinois relies on metro Chicago to fund it.
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2017, 09:52:36 PM »

Yes. I don't care if it hurts my party, it's just the right thing for the sake of community representation.

Uh, no it's not. The new state would be an economic basket case and would have no money. Much like upstate NY downstate Illinois relies on metro Chicago to fund it.

Every state relies on its main population center to fund it, there's just an army of morons who insist of always separating ours for the sake of hypotheticals.  Our state without all of Chicagoland is almost as big as yours with the Twin Cities.
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2017, 10:53:33 PM »
« Edited: June 19, 2017, 10:56:10 PM by Compassion Fills the Void »

Yes. I don't care if it hurts my party, it's just the right thing for the sake of community representation.

Uh, no it's not. The new state would be an economic basket case and would have no money. Much like upstate NY downstate Illinois relies on metro Chicago to fund it.

Every state relies on its main population center to fund it, there's just an army of morons who insist of always separating ours for the sake of hypotheticals.  Our state without all of Chicagoland is almost as big as yours with the Twin Cities.

...which is an economically vibrant region. So are many places in outstate Minnesota too.

And many of the economically vibrant places downstate wouldn't be in an independent state, let's see how well Champaign does if it's no longer an in state school for people from metro Chicago.

Also haven't you not lived in Illinois since you were four? I'm closer to being a North Dakotan than you are to an Illinoisan.
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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2017, 09:37:16 AM »

LOL, I was 8, but I'm not sure why that's relevant.  My entire family is from there, and I still feel a lot of attachment to the state and have a vested interest in it turning things around.  My point in all of this is why are we even asking about Champaign's status if it didn't have Chicago?  It DOES have Chicago, and it always will have Chicago as a complimenting asset.  Illinois is one state, period.

It's also not fair to assume that Downstate Illinois would be the same as it is now in a world where it isn't attached to Chicagoland.  Cities like Rockford and Peoria and Champaign have specifically developed the way they have because of Chicago; if Chicago were never part of the state, another area in this new state of "Downstate IL" would have become much more important, and somewhere like Peoria would probably take on the size and importance of a Des Moines over time.  Additionally, Downstate's government would have operated a lot more like an Iowa or an Indiana has - two states with way fewer problems than IL - and likely would have economic conditions more similar to both over time.  However, the fact is that Downstate does share a state with Chicagoland, and everything about those cities is a result of sharing that state.  It's completely unfair to imagine Downstate without Chicago unless we pretty much "started over," in which case Downstate would be a totally different place for obvious reasons.
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