Millennials and Howard Dean Triggered: SCOTUS = no hate speech exception to 1st.
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Thomas Jackson
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« on: June 19, 2017, 11:18:11 AM »

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1293_1o13.pdf

"[The idea that the government may restrict] speech expressing ideas that offend … strikes at the heart of the First Amendment. Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.”"
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2017, 11:19:51 AM »

Howard Dean?
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2017, 11:26:02 AM »


http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/22/howard-dean-doubles-down-on-hate-speech-isnt-protected-claims-then-it-backfires-big-time/
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 12:47:35 PM »

The only sensible resolution is clearly an 8-0 ruling

Hopefully the UN resoundingly strikes down the symbolic but execrable ban on "cultural appropriation" being discussed right now
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 01:00:10 PM »

ACLU and SJW's are celebrating this, pal:

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/victory-slants-are-officially-rock-stars-first-amendment
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 01:10:39 PM »


Demonstrably false. Millennials and SJWs can't stand to hear people with different opinions. (Much like this board.)

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/

The ACLU (as rabidly Communist as it is, occasionally, like a broken clock, will side with the 1st Amendment freedom of speech) SJWs as a group consistently want to impose censorship and speech codes on those who disagree with them.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/33103/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cMYfxOFBBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_4-BqSIUD8


Nice try though!
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2017, 01:16:07 PM »

Millennial bashing is hilarious, coming from the generation that popularized the Hoveround.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2017, 01:24:38 PM »

Millennial bashing is hilarious, coming from the generation that popularized the Hoveround.
Pet rocks for everyone!
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2017, 01:36:15 PM »


As they should be. The 1st Amendment is absolute and always must be
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2017, 01:37:43 PM »

Using words like triggered unironically lol
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2017, 01:55:36 PM »

Using words like triggered unironically lol
Now now, it should be use unironically at times.

Like when you talk about triggers for veterans suffering from PTSD. Guess Thomas hates veterans Sad
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2017, 01:57:35 PM »


I've never met anyone who identified as an SJW/intersectional leftists/whatever who supported the right to hate speech. Opposition to hate speech is near universal among the college left.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2017, 02:01:42 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2017, 02:02:51 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2017, 02:03:28 PM »

A distinction should be made between the mainstream center-left (the ACLU, the liberal wing of the Supreme Court, the Atlantic Magazine, the Democratic party, etc.) and campus intersectional SJWs. The latter are truly heinous, whereas the former have a very different outlook on things. The right-wing often gets the two confused. I'm proud to identify firmly with the mainstream camp on this issue.
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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2017, 02:07:31 PM »

I'm triggered that you assume I support banning hate just because of when I was born!
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2017, 02:24:51 PM »


https://www.google.com/#q=1st+amendment+exceptions

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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2017, 02:55:37 PM »

In other news, water is wet. Move along.
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2017, 02:59:40 PM »


Fifthed. Also, I think someone in this thread has been reading a little too much Yiannapolous.
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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2017, 03:22:27 PM »


Generally the argument is that the exceptions are not considered purely "speech" and are therefore not protected. Incitement, fighting words, libel, fraudulent inducement, conspiracy, etc. do involve communication, however they also contain more: a guilty mens rea. This guilty mental state is a necessary component of the exclusions, as it effectively creates a different act separate from speech. For example, the first amendment protects lies but not lies made with the intent to defraud someone into giving you money. Similarly, the first amendment protects offensive speech but not individually directed offensive speech made with the intent to trigger an immediate physical fight.

To some extent, its just semantics, but since the exceptions are few enough and rooted in historical common law,  and there is no judicial power to recognize new exceptions, the definition of speech effectively excludes the combined act of speech + guilty mental state. Its why the first stolen valor act (criminalizing lying about military service) was struck down by scotus, but the revised stolen valor act  (criminalizing lying about military service with the intent to benefit financially through this lie) is probably ok.
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2017, 04:35:03 PM »


THe ACLU, yes. They actually had a Jewish leader defend neo-Nazi's rights to march through a Jewish neighborhood.

SJWs, of course not.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2017, 05:01:32 PM »

Active harassment and dehumanization being declared a fundamental right is not a good thing.


THe ACLU, yes. They actually had a Jewish leader defend neo-Nazi's rights to march through a Jewish neighborhood.

SJWs, of course not.

So the ACLU supports the active protection of the right to glorify genocide to those victimized to it in their own neighborhoods.
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2017, 05:08:01 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2017, 05:30:00 PM »


So the ACLU supports the active protection of the right to glorify genocide to those victimized to it in their own neighborhoods think.
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2017, 08:16:36 PM »


Great job posting a link showing a majority of Millennials oppose making hate speech illegal.
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