GA-06 and SC-05 election day & results thread

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Disastrous results for the GOP tonight

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Disastrous results for the GOP tonight

Nice try.

Just last November the GOP got 62% in GA-06. In what world is a 13% swing not disastrous?

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Can Dems apply some of Parnell's overperformance to Ossoff to help him win?

The mega coattails will carry him over the line

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Disastrous results for the GOP tonight

Nice try.

I mean it's not disastrous in the sense that GOP will win the seats tonight, but like. Idk I'd think it were pretty disastrous if the GOP came within 2 points of winning Rep. Grace Meng's seat for example.

SC is a pretty awful result, but they could have done much worse in GA, so I'd say it's a wash. I know it's a controversial opinion on here, but I don't believe that special elections are a 100% foolproof barometer to predict the results of the midterm elections.

Obviously they are in trouble in several House races, but we already knew that.

I agree on the one hand this says nothing about 2018 but jfc what does Trump need to do to finally pay some type of politcal backlash at the polls?

This is backlash. As someone further up said there are about 80 Republican seats closer than this, to be within 1 point is absolutely disastrous.

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Say what you want about the district or either of the candidate's respective campaigns, but the fact that Dems will likely come up short in GA-06 bodes very, very badly for the Dems going into 2018.  The fact that so many Democrats, from top to bottom, were so invested in this race is going to sting for a long time and will negatively impact recruitment, fundraising and energy going forward.

Say what you want about the race being close, but a loss as a loss and it will be Karen Handel, not Ossoff, in all likelihood heading to DC.  This isn't the Olympics, second place doesn't mean anything in politics.  

This doesn't bode very badly lol. Just last November, this district was 62-38 R. If the swing in GA-06 was replicated nationally the Democrats would easily take the house

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About this whole 'chuck Pelosi to the curb' thing, you people do realise any other house leader would be just as demonised and hated by Republicans as Pelosi is?

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Georgia will swing toward Republicans from Trump's 2016 number.  So much for that Democrat wave.  

You might not have noticed, but this is a congressional race. The relevant comparison is to make is to compare today's result to the house race last year, not the Presidential result

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About this whole 'chuck Pelosi to the curb' thing, you people do realise any other house leader would be just as demonised and hated by Republicans as Pelosi is?

Hard for republican run an ad with Tim Ryan when nobody knows who he is yet. What they going label him as Youngstown liberal or working class pimp

It's not a good idea to rely on a strategy that will only work for a few months, a year at most

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Say what you want about the district or either of the candidate's respective campaigns, but the fact that Dems will likely come up short in GA-06 bodes very, very badly for the Dems going into 2018.  The fact that so many Democrats, from top to bottom, were so invested in this race is going to sting for a long time and will negatively impact recruitment, fundraising and energy going forward.

Say what you want about the race being close, but a loss as a loss and it will be Karen Handel, not Ossoff, in all likelihood heading to DC.  This isn't the Olympics, second place doesn't mean anything in politics.  

lol

GOP brought all their heavyweights to campaign for Handel. Ossoff only brought John Lewis.

R's can try to spin this all they want, but at the end of the day, these are massive swings for Democrats. On top of that we have strong recruitment and fundraising has already topped last year numbers.

Dems spent 30 million in a district Trump won by 1%.

That's not good.

A district that hasn't voted for a Democrat since the 1970s.

Irrelevant.

Firstly, the District lines have changed significantly.

Secondly, I can just as easily point to dems district that swung massively to the GOP. There are two sides to this coin.

Trump fundamentally changed the electorate. The only thing this result shows is that this change is here to stay.

Which is not good news fro Democrats.

Huh? A district that has voted GOP since the 70s voting GOP again shows 'a fundamental change in the electorate'?

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Also, to the hacks saying this means Democrats are doomed in 2018, in 2009 the GOP won none of the five congressional elections held that year, and in fact that Democrats actually picked up a seat. All the signs continue to point towards a Dem wave in 2018

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Anyone recall the Quist-Gianforte thread when a dozen or so users assured us that running a Clintonite centrist instead of a populist was this magic elixir that could win over GA-06 a la John Bel Edwards? If Democrats continue to pursue the same trodden path they did in 2016, there's no shot in hell they manifest some "blue tide" in two years.

So if the populist in MT lost and the Clintonite in GA lost, then which Democrat wins?

The one who didn't spend $20 million

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Once again, the resistance falls short.

Yep!

Nice circle---- you have.

I mean, Trump just gets stronger and stronger and you only get more helpless and helpless. It's just...so magical!

What world are you living in?

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I notice all the Trump hacks are ignoring the SC-05 result

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I need to re-iterate my point that the GOP won none of the 5 special congressional elections in 2009, and actually lost a seat to the democrats. The overall trends of these results is very bad for republicans

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When is Pelosi ever going to be held accountable 2010..2012..2014..2016..2018? Why are House Dems ok with this?

Didnt you hear? The geniuses over at the DNC are hiring Rham Emanuel to coordinate the 2018 mid-terms. He's going to brush the dust off the 90s DLC playbook and bring back the Clinton days! Sure it hasn't worked in nearly 20 years but dont worry ...any day now!

I don't think putting up ultra-liberal Sandernistas will do it

Tell it Jeremy Corbyn

The Dems have been running centrist trash all my life. It dosen't work and it never will. The GOP keeps pushing further and further right and they only win more. It's time for Dems to get a ing clue and chuck Pelosi, Hoyer, Perez, Schumer, et all to the side

GOP will move more to the center over time. Centrism is the key for both parties

No they won't. The GOP are far right ideologues

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$30 million to lose a Trump by 1.5 point district by 5 points? Sad!

Admit it, you're happier that Ossoff lost than you would have been if he won, aren't you?

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Jfern, if every democrat who lost has lost because they're not left wing enough, why did Quist lose by 6 points?

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Jfern, why do you constantly use Trumpian language?

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The GA-6 result tonight shows that the reluctant trump voter is still willing to give him a shot, even though they are saying they disapprove of him in . It also shows that dems need to do some massive lesson learning if they are to win back the house in '18.

2018 house rating: Lean R ---> Strong Lean R

Utterly delusional. Double digit swings in every special election, a president with a <40 approval rating. Everything points to a Dem wave

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I hope this 2017 is to 2018 as 2009 was to 2010. But I doubt it.

Democrats are in fact doing far better than the GOP was in 2009. The GOP lost a seat to the dems  in 2009

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The GA-6 result tonight shows that the reluctant trump voter is still willing to give him a shot, even though they are saying they disapprove of him in . It also shows that dems need to do some massive lesson learning if they are to win back the house in '18.

2018 house rating: Lean R ---> Strong Lean R

Utterly delusional. Double digit swings in every special election, a president with a <40 approval rating. Everything points to a Dem wave

Everything supposedly pointed to one last year too, and we all saw what happened.

Actual results>polls

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I have a feeling 2018 is going to have the largest turnout for a midterm in modern history. Maybe 45%

As a non American it's really sad that 45% turnout would be heralded as something good

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Why are dems so self loathing? You complain that you never win anything, but you know what winners don't do? Constantly feel sorry for themselves and bitch about how they're doomed and can never come back

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Ossoff couldn't even match his percentage in the 1st round. Sad!

There was a poll where half of Republican Iowa caucus goers supported single payer. Why should Democrats take a position to the right of most Americans on healthcare?

Iowa is different from GA-06.

Iowa is alot more open to government subsidize. GA-06 is dominated by well-off white people. Talking about single payer isn't going to win these people over.

Well, Berniecrats aren't the ones who said to put all the resources into winning districts like GA-06.

Democrats didn't.

Alot of Ossoff's cash came from small donations.

Over $6 million came from the DCCC. It's obvious they want to double down on the Hillary strategy of running a bland campaign that avoids the issues and try to win rich people in the sunbelt, while ignoring the midwest.

The most vulnerable Republicans are in the sunbelt, not in the midwest. Why target areas, where Trump is still doing fine approval ratings wise?

Because reasons

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How many times have we had this dumb sun belt talk? The sun-belt strategy will be in play when Texas will be a win for Democrats (with Georgia & Arizona). Otherwise the Democratic party can never win elections - End of discussion. There are too many Senators in the rust/mid-west belt - PA, MI, OH, WI, MN, Iowa, IN - That is 14 Senators there, If Democrats keep losing here, they will never win elections. Same goes at the Presidential level. You have literally hacks in here.

Ossoff ran a mediocre campaign trying to be sort of a semi-conservative, people are tired of centrists, they will elect Trumpcare supporting Handel or reporter assaulting Gianforte instead. They spend so much money & did worse, worse than the run-off, worse than what Hillary did. In Kansas, there was 23-25% off swing, in Montana there was a 15% odd swing, here negative swing.

And they kept pouring money in & in. It is stupid like what Hillary did with endless Wall Street paid attack ads vs Trump. This is basic economics - Law of marginal returns which gets smaller & smaller. Ossoff ran a mediocre campaign & everything was about I oppose Trump, a 1 dimensional campaign. Hopefully Democrats get a better candidate in 2018, and demographics are swinging for the Democrats !

So now Quist is a neoliberal shill?