GA-06 and SC-05 election day & results thread

[Yank2133]

Should Perez be fired after this? Spending this much on a congressional race and losing is embarrassing.

Perez/DNC didn't fully fund Ossoff. A lot of that was from small donors.

DCCC is also responsible for funding, not the DNC.

[Yank2133]

I just look forward to the GOP trying to rub these victories in our faces even though these districts have been solid for decades and yet came within 1-2 points of flipping blue. It's like they are sitting in a burning building.

Meh, let them have it.

It will just make things more hilarious after the mid-terms.

[Yank2133]

The more I see the how these olds vote, the less I care about preserving Medicare.

Call me a bad person because of it - I already know.

My grandma needs medicare in order to treat her diabetes. Shes also a hardcore republican, sometimes I wonder....

Democrats usually save them from the consequence of their terrible votes. Until they feel the repercussions of their vote, they will never change.

[Yank2133]

And remember, Parnell isn't the best of politicians. I read in a Roll Call article about how he can be a bit awkward and too quirky in face-to-face meetings with voters.

That could be part of his charm.

Most people get nervous when they meet strangers. It is an easy trait for people to empathize with.

[Yank2133]

This is one of the ads that Parnell ran. If loving this is wrong, then I don't want to be right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZsJjqDvSRw

10/10 ad right here.

Yeah, that is a good ad right there.

[Yank2133]

So in 2018, Democrats have a chance to almost win every Republican district.  Let's see, that means that Democrats still pick up....no seats!!? Yippee!!!

Uh.....no

There are over 80+ districts more friendlier then MT, KS, GA etc for Democrats. If Democrats are seeing swings like this here, now imagine the swings in less-R friendlier districts?

[Yank2133]

Say what you want about the district or either of the candidate's respective campaigns, but the fact that Dems will likely come up short in GA-06 bodes very, very badly for the Dems going into 2018.  The fact that so many Democrats, from top to bottom, were so invested in this race is going to sting for a long time and will negatively impact recruitment, fundraising and energy going forward.

Say what you want about the race being close, but a loss as a loss and it will be Karen Handel, not Ossoff, in all likelihood heading to DC.  This isn't the Olympics, second place doesn't mean anything in politics.  

lol

GOP brought all their heavyweights to campaign for Handel. Ossoff only brought John Lewis.

R's can try to spin this all they want, but at the end of the day, these are massive swings for Democrats. On top of that we have strong recruitment and fundraising has already topped last year numbers.

[Yank2133]

Say what you want about the district or either of the candidate's respective campaigns, but the fact that Dems will likely come up short in GA-06 bodes very, very badly for the Dems going into 2018.  The fact that so many Democrats, from top to bottom, were so invested in this race is going to sting for a long time and will negatively impact recruitment, fundraising and energy going forward.

Say what you want about the race being close, but a loss as a loss and it will be Karen Handel, not Ossoff, in all likelihood heading to DC.  This isn't the Olympics, second place doesn't mean anything in politics.  

lol

GOP brought all their heavyweights to campaign for Handel. Ossoff only brought John Lewis.

R's can try to spin this all they want, but at the end of the day, these are massive swings for Democrats. On top of that we have strong recruitment and fundraising has already topped last year numbers.

Dems spent 30 million in a district Trump won by 1%.

That's not good.

A district that hasn't voted for a Democrat since the 1970s.

[Yank2133]

Pelosi is good at her job.

Demonstrably far more competent than Ryan, in that she can actually get her people to fall in line and vote and pass legislation on a consistent basis.

That's why she's there, and why she'll likely be there for the foreseeable future.

Pass what legislation...the Dems havent been able to pass anything since 2010

Well, they haven't been in power since 2010. And when she was in charge, it was the most productive house since the LBJ years.

[Yank2133]

Say what you want about the district or either of the candidate's respective campaigns, but the fact that Dems will likely come up short in GA-06 bodes very, very badly for the Dems going into 2018.  The fact that so many Democrats, from top to bottom, were so invested in this race is going to sting for a long time and will negatively impact recruitment, fundraising and energy going forward.

Say what you want about the race being close, but a loss as a loss and it will be Karen Handel, not Ossoff, in all likelihood heading to DC.  This isn't the Olympics, second place doesn't mean anything in politics.  

lol

GOP brought all their heavyweights to campaign for Handel. Ossoff only brought John Lewis.

R's can try to spin this all they want, but at the end of the day, these are massive swings for Democrats. On top of that we have strong recruitment and fundraising has already topped last year numbers.

Dems spent 30 million in a district Trump won by 1%.

That's not good.

A district that hasn't voted for a Democrat since the 1970s.

Irrelevant.

Firstly, the District lines have changed significantly.

Secondly, I can just as easily point to dems district that swung massively to the GOP. There are two sides to this coin.

Trump fundamentally changed the electorate. The only thing this result shows is that this change is here to stay.

Which is not good news fro Democrats.

Huh? A district that has voted GOP since the 70s voting GOP again shows 'a fundamental change in the electorate'?

Yeah, that is one hell of a spin.

It is a traditionally GOP district. A normal GOP presidential candidate would have been won by a much larger margin.

[Yank2133]

Pass what legislation...the Dems havent been able to pass anything since 2010

Yeah after they lost control of the House. Don't be a 5 year old.

And they lost the house because of Nancy Pelosi

Pelosi needs to step aside and train a new guy her so called parliamentary genius then

lol, how was it Pelosi fault?

[Yank2133]

Pass what legislation...the Dems havent been able to pass anything since 2010

Yeah after they lost control of the House. Don't be a 5 year old.

And they lost the house because of Nancy Pelosi

Pelosi needs to step aside and train a new guy her so called parliamentary genius then

lol, how was it Pelosi fault?

Because shes red meat for the GOP base. Nothing gets the geezers out of the mobile home park and to the voting booth than sticking Pelosi's face on an attack ad

These people would give up SS and Medicare to get Pelosi out of office

lol, they lost their majority because of the ACA and Obama backlash.

Serously, stop trying to revise history.

[Yank2133]

Pass what legislation...the Dems havent been able to pass anything since 2010

Yeah after they lost control of the House. Don't be a 5 year old.

And they lost the house because of Nancy Pelosi

Pelosi needs to step aside and train a new guy her so called parliamentary genius then

lol, how was it Pelosi fault?

Because shes red meat for the GOP base. Nothing gets the geezers out of the mobile home park and to the voting booth than sticking Pelosi's face on an attack ad

These people would give up SS and Medicare to get Pelosi out of office

lol, they lost their majority because of the ACA and Obama backlash.

Serously, stop trying to revise history.

Pelosi:

Disliked by 100% of Republicans, 75% of independents, and 50% of Democrats

Hey, let's keep her on because she knows like parliamentary stuffs

Yeah, because passing legislation and keeping your caucus in order is kind of important when it comes to the job as leader.

[Yank2133]

Special elections don't always reflect what will happen in the midterm and there are plenty of Republicans in Clinton districts that will probably lose next year. GA-6 is a Republican gerrymander, anyway and it functioned just as it was intended to tonight. It could flip next year, though.

When are you guys actually going to start winning anything?

lol.

Next year is going to be hilarious.

[Yank2133]

2018: Next year you'll guys really have it!
2020: We're gonna get the House next year. Trump's reelection means nothing. NOTHING.
2022: First they came for the Bad Hombres. Now they're gonna come for me. I swear!

It is like R's forget the lead up to 2006 and 2009.

[Yank2133]

I mean, Trump just gets stronger and stronger

Um, no. Really, no.

Sanchez is completely delusional.

[Yank2133]

How does Corbyn doing well in the UK say anything about US politics?

[Yank2133]

Ossoff ran the tried and true New Democrat "Identity Politics" campaign.  Instead of talking about real issues, he just focused on checking off the minority boxes and getting his womyn buzzwords into cute soundbites.  It's the reason Hillary lost and it's the reason Democrats will continue to lose.

He talked about Healthcare the most.

Try again.

[Yank2133]

How does Corbyn doing well in the UK say anything about US politics?

Because they parallel each other

Reagan-Thacher
George HW BUsh- John Major
Clinton-Blair/Bush
Obama-Cameron
May-Trump

Notice the ideological similarities that follow in near lockstep?

lol

UK electorate and political climate is much different from the US. Comparing foreign elections to US elections is just dumb and this goes for those saying Macron election means something to centrism in the US.

[Yank2133]

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And?

Look what district he is in.

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And?

Look what district he is in.

You are just the DC establishment personified aren't you.

lol, this isn't about being establishment.

This is common sense. This is a right-leaning district, so why would going all out to the left on healthcare be a smart move?

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And?

Look what district he is in.

You are just the DC establishment personified aren't you.

lol, this isn't about being establishment.

This is common sense. This is a right-leaning district, so why would going all out to the left on healthcare be a smart move?

There was a poll where half of Republican Iowa caucus goers supported single payer. Why should Democrats take a position to the right of most Americans on healthcare?

Iowa is different from GA-06.

Iowa is alot more open to government subsidize. GA-06 is dominated by well-off white people. Talking about single payer isn't going to win these people over.

[Yank2133]

Ossoff couldn't even match his percentage in the 1st round. Sad!

There was a poll where half of Republican Iowa caucus goers supported single payer. Why should Democrats take a position to the right of most Americans on healthcare?

Iowa is different from GA-06.

Iowa is alot more open to government subsidize. GA-06 is dominated by well-off white people. Talking about single payer isn't going to win these people over.

Well, Berniecrats aren't the ones who said to put all the resources into winning districts like GA-06.

Democrats didn't.

Alot of Ossoff's cash came from small donations.

[Yank2133]

Ossoff couldn't even match his percentage in the 1st round. Sad!

There was a poll where half of Republican Iowa caucus goers supported single payer. Why should Democrats take a position to the right of most Americans on healthcare?

Iowa is different from GA-06.

Iowa is alot more open to government subsidize. GA-06 is dominated by well-off white people. Talking about single payer isn't going to win these people over.

Well, Berniecrats aren't the ones who said to put all the resources into winning districts like GA-06.

Democrats didn't.

Alot of Ossoff's cash came from small donations.

Over $6 million came from the DCCC. It's obvious they want to double down on the Hillary strategy of running a bland campaign that avoids the issues and try to win rich people in the sunbelt, while ignoring the midwest.

The most vulnerable Republicans are in the sunbelt, not in the midwest. Why target areas, where Trump is still doing fine approval ratings wise?

[Yank2133]

Ossoff couldn't even match his percentage in the 1st round. Sad!

There was a poll where half of Republican Iowa caucus goers supported single payer. Why should Democrats take a position to the right of most Americans on healthcare?

Iowa is different from GA-06.

Iowa is alot more open to government subsidize. GA-06 is dominated by well-off white people. Talking about single payer isn't going to win these people over.

Well, Berniecrats aren't the ones who said to put all the resources into winning districts like GA-06.

Democrats didn't.

Alot of Ossoff's cash came from small donations.

Over $6 million came from the DCCC. It's obvious they want to double down on the Hillary strategy of running a bland campaign that avoids the issues and try to win rich people in the sunbelt, while ignoring the midwest.

The most vulnerable Republicans are in the sunbelt, not in the midwest. Why target areas, where Trump is still doing fine approval ratings wise?

This cannot be stressed enough. You play where the odds are better.

There's really a point of diminishing returns when you put all your eggs in one basket to try to prove that your neoliberal sunbelt district strategy is working.

It isn't about proving anything, it is just common sense.

You play with the best hand you have been dealt with.