Did Ossoff even stand a chance?
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« on: June 20, 2017, 11:26:31 PM »
« edited: June 20, 2017, 11:29:00 PM by Irritable Moderate »

I mean really. Did he? Or was he over-hyped? Parnell came closer to defeating Norman in SC-05. At one point, I was thinking Parnell was gonna win SC-05 and Handel was gonna win GA-06.
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2017, 11:27:56 PM »

He is a over-hyped, bland, cookie cutter candidate but he did indeed have a chance.

However, solely reading atlas would have you believe he is the second coming of obama.

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2017, 11:30:01 PM »

No, and I think even if he had been the second coming of Obama, he still would have lost. Places like GA-06 simply aren't hospitable to Democrats.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2017, 11:44:01 PM »

No, and I think even if he had been the second coming of Obama, he still would have lost. Places like GA-06 simply aren't hospitable to Democrats.
Agreed. I could see him losing 2018 if he won this year.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2017, 11:58:19 PM »

He did, in the primary: He didn't quite make it.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2017, 12:25:52 AM »

Nope. He received the exact same % of the vote as he did in round 1. It clearly doesn't matter whether you spend the amount that was spent in March/April, or the amount that was spent in May/June - Ossoff performs exactly the same.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2017, 03:01:20 AM »

He probably had some sort of chance. It probably wasn't high, and the way he conducted his campaign pretty much erased it by June 20.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2017, 03:12:48 AM »

Yes, 2-3 weeks ago - after Handel's silly minimum wage comments and the shooting.

It reminds me of Hofer vs. VdB, just slightly before their May 22, 2016 runoff for President.

Hofer, like Ossoff, slightly led the polls. Then, unpopular Chancellor Faymann stepped down 1.5 weeks before the runoff. And Hofer slightly lost the runoff. If unpopular Chancellor Faymann had not resigned slightly before the election, Hofer might have squeaked out a small victory.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2017, 03:21:53 AM »

I mean really. Did he? Or was he over-hyped? Parnell came closer to defeating Norman in SC-05. At one point, I was thinking Parnell was gonna win SC-05 and Handel was gonna win GA-06.

IMHO - no. 30 year old "boy", who didn't even lived in the district, is not a good candidate in mostly white, absolutely "southern", mostly middle-age, well-to-do and solidly Republican by leanings (even if anti-Trump) district. Even with obscene amount of money. And his only political experience as John Lewis assistant wasn't a big help either: Lewis is (deservedly) a civil rights icon, but hardly GA-06 icon.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2017, 03:37:48 AM »

I mean really. Did he? Or was he over-hyped? Parnell came closer to defeating Norman in SC-05. At one point, I was thinking Parnell was gonna win SC-05 and Handel was gonna win GA-06.

IMHO - no. 30 year old "boy", who didn't even lived in the district, is not a good candidate in mostly white, absolutely "southern", mostly middle-age, well-to-do and solidly Republican by leanings (even if anti-Trump) district. Even with obscene amount of money. And his only political experience as John Lewis assistant wasn't a big help either: Lewis is (deservedly) a civil rights icon, but hardly GA-06 icon.

Plus Ossoff doesn't even look the part.  He looks like he's 22 and it wouldn't hurt if he packed on a few pounds from eating some good ol' Southern food...
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2017, 06:44:33 AM »

He probably had some sort of chance. It probably wasn't high, and the way he conducted his campaign pretty much erased it by June 20.

What did he do wrong conducting the campaign?  He saturated the district in canvassing.  He may have been an empty suit, but he didn't lose because he ran a bad campaign, and might have won if it weren't for the Jim Crow-style voter ID laws they have down there.
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2017, 06:49:38 AM »

The Lee Atawater Strategy still works.
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2017, 07:41:12 AM »

Being anti-Trump and nothing else isn't an election winner.
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2017, 07:56:24 AM »

I'm surprised with the number of Dems who say God Emperor Ossoff, POTUS in 2025, superstar of party, was actually a bad candidate from the start and he never had a chance.

Republicans take it in stride and work towards a victory. Dems turn on the candidates they love and call them trash
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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2017, 08:08:37 AM »

Obviously.
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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2017, 08:15:05 AM »

Let's not pretend a <4-point margin race couldn't have gone the other way around.
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2017, 09:31:59 AM »

I think his best chance has been the first round of voting back in April. He should have won 50% then. The first thing I remembered after learning that he lost yesterday were Joe Scarborough's words on Morning Joe in April: Dems blew it by not getting 50%.
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2017, 10:00:43 AM »

Let's not pretend a <4-point margin race couldn't have gone the other way around.
Money can manufacture close races in most districts.
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2017, 10:05:52 AM »

Being anti-Trump and nothing else isn't an election winner.
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2017, 10:10:16 AM »

Let's not pretend a <4-point margin race couldn't have gone the other way around.
Money can manufacture close races in most districts.

If anything, money was part of why he lost.
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2017, 10:11:45 AM »

No, and I think even if he had been the second coming of Obama, he still would have lost. Places like GA-06 simply aren't hospitable to Democrats.

But it's literally the future base of the party, friend.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2017, 10:28:24 AM »

Let's not pretend a <4-point margin race couldn't have gone the other way around.
Money can manufacture close races in most districts.

If anything, money was part of why he lost.
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2017, 11:26:34 AM »

No, and I think even if he had been the second coming of Obama, he still would have lost. Places like GA-06 simply aren't hospitable to Democrats.

But it's literally the future base of the party, friend.

The only people who think that are people who desperately want their suburban book club to be in the same political party they are. Unfortunately, many of those people are NoVa Dems who work in the national party infrastructure.
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2017, 12:03:49 PM »

No, and I think even if he had been the second coming of Obama, he still would have lost. Places like GA-06 simply aren't hospitable to Democrats.

But it's literally the future base of the party, friend.

The future isn't now though, now is it.

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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2017, 12:08:05 PM »

He got 48% of the vote, didn't he? He well over performed downballot numbers, it's just that he didn't pull that last two percent. If anything, he probably should have gone harder on Handel. The way Republicans treated Clinton is how Ossoff should have treated Handel.
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