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« on: June 23, 2017, 02:58:38 PM »
« edited: June 23, 2017, 03:07:00 PM by lwp2004 »

What are some possible blowouts for 2020? I have two:

Republican Blowout:

President Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/VP Mike Pence (R-IN), 446 Electoral Votes
Fmr. Attorney General Eric Holder (D-DC)/Fmr. Missouri AG Jason Kander (D-MO), 92 Electoral Votes

Democratic Blowout:


Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT)/Governor Steve Bullock (D-MT), 495 Electoral Votes
President Donald Trump (R-NY)/Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN), 43 Electoral Votes

(I know the second one is unrealistic)
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2017, 03:00:49 PM »

What are some possible blowouts for 2020? I have two:

Republican Blowout:

President Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/VP Mike Pence (R-IN), 446 Electoral Votes
Fmr. Attorney General Eric Holder (D-DC)/Fmr. Missouri AG Jason Kander (D-MO), 92 Electoral Votes
wow no
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2017, 03:28:50 PM »

Sanders won't win South Dakota. The ghost of FDR might, but I don't see any other Democrats winning it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2017, 03:53:45 PM »

2012 map + NC and NEB 2 for Cory Booker/Hickenlooper map.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2017, 03:57:12 PM »
« Edited: June 23, 2017, 04:00:30 PM by TexArkana »

Both of your maps are extremely ridiculous. the first one possibly even more so than the second. basically, shift the popular vote 10 points in either direction and that's the biggest landslide that's realistically possible for either side in today's climate. So for the Democratic nominee, that would be Obama 2012 + North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. For Trump it would be 2016 + New Hampshire, Maine, Nevada, Colorado, Virginia, Minnesota, and New Mexico.
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2017, 04:16:02 PM »



Donald Trump v Amy Klobuchar 270-268
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 04:17:04 PM »
« Edited: June 23, 2017, 04:18:44 PM by Da-Jon Cory Booker-4-Prez »



or Donald Trump v Cory Booker
Booker 348 to Trump 206

Booker would be the favorite going into 2020.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 04:19:33 PM »



or Donald Trump v Cory Booker
Booker 348 to Trump 206

Booker would be the favorite going into 2020.

After winning the 2020 election, Booker would go into 2020 as the favorite, huh?
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2017, 04:22:53 PM »

Cory Booker will defeat either Trump or Pence, but if its Trump, that's the possible map with Trump as the nominee rather than Pence. But, with Pence, Booker can still win a 2012 map.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2017, 04:24:01 PM »

Both of your maps are extremely ridiculous. the first one possibly even more so than the second. basically, shift the popular vote 10 points in either direction and that's the biggest landslide that's realistically possible for either side in today's climate. So for the Democratic nominee, that would be Obama 2012 + North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. For Trump it would be 2016 + New Hampshire, Maine, Nevada, Colorado, Virginia, Minnesota, and New Mexico.

To be fair, this era of political polarization will come to an end eventually, and looking back at history, the polarization America saw post-Civil War was broken (electorally, at least) in 1904 with a near-20 point win, which was a stark departure from previous elections.

Not to say it will definitely be broken in 2020, but just that if it is, things can quickly go in one direction or the other, at least based on historical precedent.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2017, 04:28:07 PM »

Both of your maps are extremely ridiculous. the first one possibly even more so than the second. basically, shift the popular vote 10 points in either direction and that's the biggest landslide that's realistically possible for either side in today's climate. So for the Democratic nominee, that would be Obama 2012 + North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. For Trump it would be 2016 + New Hampshire, Maine, Nevada, Colorado, Virginia, Minnesota, and New Mexico.

To be fair, this era of political polarization will come to an end eventually, and looking back at history, the polarization America saw post-Civil War was broken (electorally, at least) in 1904 with a near-20 point win, which was a stark departure from previous elections.

Not to say it will definitely be broken in 2020, but just that if it is, things can quickly go in one direction or the other, at least based on historical precedent.

I think (morbidly) when the Boomers start dying off, we'll see a significant change in polarisation, just like how the 1904 election was at the tail-end of the generation that remembered the civil war.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2017, 04:34:29 PM »

What are some possible blowouts for 2020? I have two:

Republican Blowout:

President Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/VP Mike Pence (R-IN), 446 Electoral Votes
Fmr. Attorney General Eric Holder (D-DC)/Fmr. Missouri AG Jason Kander (D-MO), 92 Electoral Votes

Democratic Blowout:


Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT)/Governor Steve Bullock (D-MT), 495 Electoral Votes
President Donald Trump (R-NY)/Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN), 43 Electoral Votes

(I know the second one is unrealistic)
Both are unrealistic wow just wow
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2017, 04:36:16 PM »

I really think Klobuchar would pick up Wisconsin here
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2017, 05:16:43 PM »
« Edited: June 23, 2017, 05:18:40 PM by DK_Mo82 »

The worst case for the republicans is Trump continues to falter, and a party split arises like 1912. Half the base wanting to ditch Trump , and half fiercely loyal to him. The split plays out among prominent politicians too. Paul Ryan is gone by this point, having been taken out by right wing freedom Caucus after losing badly in 2018.

So here is the scenario.
 Cruz declares his candidacy somehwere in 2019 after GOP loses both houses in 2018.  Trump approval is at 25%, but still 50-60% among Republicans. Soon thereafter John Kasich announces a campaign too.

Trump decides the Republican nomination is unnecessary for a sitting President and declares he is going it alone, meaning the Republicans will be running a candidate against Trump. Cruz wins easily over Kasich and others.

Trump get on the ballot himself in all 50 states on various ballot lines, most commonly as National Republican, or independent in States where that is beneficial to ballot access laws.

Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic primary easily after winning Iowa caucuses, Nevada caucuses, and New Hampshire by double-digits. He loses SC primary to Booker by less than 5 points, seen as a good result, and is coronated on Super Tuesday.




Senator Sanders - Democratic Party 53%, 466 ev
Preisdent Trump - National Republican 27%, 35 ev
Senator Cruz - Republican Party 18%, 37 ev
Other 2%
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2017, 05:22:07 PM »

What are some possible blowouts for 2020? I have two:

Republican Blowout:

President Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/VP Mike Pence (R-IN), 446 Electoral Votes
Fmr. Attorney General Eric Holder (D-DC)/Fmr. Missouri AG Jason Kander (D-MO), 92 Electoral Votes

Democratic Blowout:


Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT)/Governor Steve Bullock (D-MT), 495 Electoral Votes
President Donald Trump (R-NY)/Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN), 43 Electoral Votes

(I know the second one is unrealistic)

FYI, Jason Kander was Secretary of State of Missouri, not AG.

I made a prediction that was even more unrealistic than your second one: I posted that I thought Trump was going to be so unpopular that he would only win Alabama, Oklahoma, and Wyoming.
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2017, 05:56:49 PM »

I think Biden would beat Trump handily, as would Governor Steve Bullock of Montana. Trump would easily defeat Elizabeth Warren in a landslide.
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 06:59:19 PM »

Both of your maps are extremely ridiculous. the first one possibly even more so than the second. basically, shift the popular vote 10 points in either direction and that's the biggest landslide that's realistically possible for either side in today's climate. So for the Democratic nominee, that would be Obama 2012 + North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. For Trump it would be 2016 + New Hampshire, Maine, Nevada, Colorado, Virginia, Minnesota, and New Mexico.

These maps are meant to be ridiculous.
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 07:04:47 PM »

What are some possible blowouts for 2020? I have two:

Republican Blowout:

President Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/VP Mike Pence (R-IN), 446 Electoral Votes
Fmr. Attorney General Eric Holder (D-DC)/Fmr. Missouri AG Jason Kander (D-MO), 92 Electoral Votes

Democratic Blowout:


Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT)/Governor Steve Bullock (D-MT), 495 Electoral Votes
President Donald Trump (R-NY)/Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN), 43 Electoral Votes

(I know the second one is unrealistic)

No way New York goes GOP before Illinois
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2017, 10:55:24 PM »

These are the most realistic blowouts for both sides:

422 - 116


455 - 83
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2017, 10:57:12 PM »

What are some possible blowouts for 2020? I have two:

Republican Blowout:

President Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/VP Mike Pence (R-IN), 446 Electoral Votes
Fmr. Attorney General Eric Holder (D-DC)/Fmr. Missouri AG Jason Kander (D-MO), 92 Electoral Votes

Democratic Blowout:


Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT)/Governor Steve Bullock (D-MT), 495 Electoral Votes
President Donald Trump (R-NY)/Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN), 43 Electoral Votes

(I know the second one is unrealistic)

They are both outrageously unrealistic...
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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2017, 10:09:34 AM »

What are some possible blowouts for 2020? I have two:

Republican Blowout:

President Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/VP Mike Pence (R-IN), 446 Electoral Votes
Fmr. Attorney General Eric Holder (D-DC)/Fmr. Missouri AG Jason Kander (D-MO), 92 Electoral Votes

Democratic Blowout:


Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT)/Governor Steve Bullock (D-MT), 495 Electoral Votes
President Donald Trump (R-NY)/Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN), 43 Electoral Votes

(I know the second one is unrealistic)


Wins Illinois but loses new york?
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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2017, 10:24:41 AM »

What are some possible blowouts for 2020? I have two:

Republican Blowout:

President Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/VP Mike Pence (R-IN), 446 Electoral Votes
Fmr. Attorney General Eric Holder (D-DC)/Fmr. Missouri AG Jason Kander (D-MO), 92 Electoral Votes

Democratic Blowout:


Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT)/Governor Steve Bullock (D-MT), 495 Electoral Votes
President Donald Trump (R-NY)/Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN), 43 Electoral Votes

(I know the second one is unrealistic)


Wins Illinois but loses new york?

Not seeing that at all.  The populations of both states break down like this:

NEW YORK: 19,745,289
Downstate New York: 13,719,687 (69.48%)
  New York City: 8,537,673
  Instate Suburbs: 5,182,014
Upstate New York: 6,025,602 (30.52%)

ILLINOIS: 12,801,539
Chicagoland: 8,488,857 (66.31%)
  Chicago: 2,720,546
  Instate Suburbs: 5,768,311
Downstate Illinois: 4,312,682 (33.69%)

So, not only do the Chicago suburbs have a more recent history of voting Republican than the New York ones, but Downstate Illinois comprises a larger percent of Illinois' total population than Upstate New York does of New York's population.
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2017, 01:29:34 PM »

Only if Kanye runs, or if there is a recession.
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