Joe Biden vs Cory Booker:Who wins the majority of black voters in the primaries?
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« on: June 24, 2017, 04:00:04 PM »

Some would assume Booker because he's African American, but Biden always had sky high favorables with black voters, even better than Hillary. We saw how much they matter, as Clinton's margins in the south made her delegate lead basically insurmountable.
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2017, 04:05:18 PM »

I think Biden wins Southern black voters for a similar reason that Hillary was winning them in 2008/2016; he's more tested and seems more likely to win the general (just based on polling).
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 04:15:32 PM »

Biden is skeptical of running due to the Anita Hill, Booker will be nominee in 2020.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 04:22:21 PM »

I am not counting on Booker to necessarily win the black vote outright.  I just think he'll do better with the black vote than he will with the white vote, whether his main opposition is Biden or anybody else.  Even in the 2008 case, back in mid-2007-ish, when Obama was losing the black vote to Clinton in the polls, he was still doing better among blacks than he was among whites (at least in most polls).  Basically every black Democratic presidential candidate does better with blacks than whites.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2017, 04:25:20 PM »

Actually, the Kamela Harris crusade has helped Booker to some degree. Eventhough, the country isn't ready for a female prez, a black one at that, ivy leagued blacks stand out in the senate, and her testimony of Sessions, made Cory Booker shine. That's why he let her do most of the fillibustering of Jeff Sessions, while he stayed out of the way.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2017, 05:15:28 PM »

If we look to past primaries, Booker being the only black candidate in the primary would give him a floor with black voters of 20%. Arguably, Biden starts off with an even higher floor - 30% or so. This is in a crowded field, though.

I've crafted up a bit of a flow chart of sorts that pretty accurately predicts (~90%) who will win the bulk of black support in a high-profile, two-person race. The fact that Biden has a significant advantage in both de-facto incumbency/establishment support and name recognition (#1 and #2 factors, respectively) would suggest he'd pull out a win barring a major upset caused by both a Biden campaign implosion and a miracle by Booker (a la Clinton/Obama 08).
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2017, 05:19:00 PM »

Honestly, I think Booker would win Black voters, but it wouldn't be by very big margins (except maybe in New Jersey).

Biden still wins overall, because he's winning White and Latino voters as well.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2017, 05:38:07 PM »

Booker.

Just bring up Biden's anti-busing stances in the 70's and that's it for him. Remember, low energy Mike managed to take him out over a speech similarity in '87. So yeah, if he can fall to that, he can fall to historical stances too.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2017, 07:37:28 PM »

Joe Biden.

Vast majority of black Dems were for Hillary big time in 2007/early 2008 even with Obama there. He was able to persuade them winning lily white Iowa and being a fantastic orator. I just don't see that for Booker. And he's not married which will turn off conservative blacks in the South.
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2017, 08:56:19 PM »

Joe Biden.

Vast majority of black Dems were for Hillary big time in 2007/early 2008 even with Obama there. He was able to persuade them winning lily white Iowa and being a fantastic orator. I just don't see that for Booker. And he's not married which will turn off conservative blacks in the South.

But ol' Joe's only gotten better as a candidate and almost developed a "teflon layer" now. He has the strongest connection to Obama as well.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2017, 06:48:40 AM »

Booker. This is no contest. This isn't 08 where Hillary made Obama work for the Black vote.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2017, 11:37:54 AM »

Biden if Obama campaigns for him.
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2017, 12:07:29 PM »

Booker. This is no contest. This isn't 08 where Hillary made Obama work for the Black vote.

And why is that?  What is different about this that makes it "no contest"?  Black voters tend to be some of the most economically "liberal" voters in the country, even affluent Black voters.  Please articulate why you think this?

Anyway, Biden.
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2017, 01:11:18 PM »

Booker. Come on, you cannot be serious.
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2017, 01:46:21 PM »

Obama's support would be critical, but I doubt that he'd be willing to get involved in the early stages of the 2020 primary even if Biden was running.  He did, after all, stay out of the much less competitive 2016 primary until after Hillary had secured the nomination.

Booker would definitely be advantaged though.  Its no secret that voters prefer someone that they can easily identify/relate with, and race plays a substantial role in that calculation. 

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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2017, 03:44:32 PM »

Booker. This is no contest. This isn't 08 where Hillary made Obama work for the Black vote.

And why is that?  What is different about this that makes it "no contest"?  Black voters tend to be some of the most economically "liberal" voters in the country, even affluent Black voters.  Please articulate why you think this?

Anyway, Biden.
Black voters rarely ever vote on economic issues so I don't understand why you brought that up. Booker would beat Biden when it comes to the black vote specifically because he will back movements like black lives matter, support ending the war on drugs, and talk more about issues in the black community, which is exactly what blacks what to hear. Biden will not do the same and Obama's legacy for blacks isn't that great. Especially when it comes to drug policy.
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2017, 11:46:54 AM »

Booker, for the same reason Obama won them in '08.
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