One of Thomas Dewey's nicknames was 'The Little Man' -who does he remind you of?
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« on: June 24, 2017, 07:24:58 PM »

Describe which candidate in the 2016 field fits this description:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey

About Dewey -

. He spoke in platitudes, trying to transcend politics. Speech after speech was filled with empty statements of the obvious, such as the famous quote: "You know that your future is still ahead of you." An editorial in the Louisville Courier-Journal summed it up:

No presidential candidate in the future will be so inept that four of his major speeches can be boiled down to these historic four sentences: Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. Our future lies ahead......

Dewey's frequent refusal to discuss specific issues and proposals in his campaigns was based partly on his belief in public opinion polls; one biographer claimed that he "had an almost religious belief in the revolutionary science of public-opinion sampling."[93] He was the first presidential candidate to employ his own team of pollsters, and when a worried businessman told Dewey in the 1948 presidential campaign that he was losing ground to Truman and urged him to "talk specifics in his closing speeches", Dewey and his aide Paul Lockwood displayed polling data that showed Dewey still well ahead of Truman, and Dewey told the businessman "when you're leading, don't talk."[93]

In 1940, Walter Lippman regarded him as an opportunist, who "changes his views from hour to hour… always more concerned with taking the popular position than he is in dealing with the real issues."[94] The journalist John Gunther wrote that "There are plenty of vain and ambitious and uncharming politicians. This would not be enough to cause Dewey's lack of popularity. What counts more is that so many people think of him as opportunistic. Dewey seldom goes out on a limb by taking a personal position which may be unpopular ... every step is carefully calculated and prepared."

One candidate had an entire entire campaign that was based on scripted talking points and poll-tested memorized statements. That's why e.g. he flipped so quickly on drafting women, for example.

It's actually extremely eerie - one of Dewey's nicknames was 'the little man'.

Who does that remind you of?
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2017, 08:27:53 PM »

He was little and he had a moustache. Reminds me of Super Mario.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 09:08:28 PM »

Describe which candidate in the 2016 field fits this description:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey

About Dewey -

. He spoke in platitudes, trying to transcend politics. Speech after speech was filled with empty statements of the obvious, such as the famous quote: "You know that your future is still ahead of you." An editorial in the Louisville Courier-Journal summed it up:

No presidential candidate in the future will be so inept that four of his major speeches can be boiled down to these historic four sentences: Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. Our future lies ahead......

Dewey's frequent refusal to discuss specific issues and proposals in his campaigns was based partly on his belief in public opinion polls; one biographer claimed that he "had an almost religious belief in the revolutionary science of public-opinion sampling."[93] He was the first presidential candidate to employ his own team of pollsters, and when a worried businessman told Dewey in the 1948 presidential campaign that he was losing ground to Truman and urged him to "talk specifics in his closing speeches", Dewey and his aide Paul Lockwood displayed polling data that showed Dewey still well ahead of Truman, and Dewey told the businessman "when you're leading, don't talk."[93]

In 1940, Walter Lippman regarded him as an opportunist, who "changes his views from hour to hour… always more concerned with taking the popular position than he is in dealing with the real issues."[94] The journalist John Gunther wrote that "There are plenty of vain and ambitious and uncharming politicians. This would not be enough to cause Dewey's lack of popularity. What counts more is that so many people think of him as opportunistic. Dewey seldom goes out on a limb by taking a personal position which may be unpopular ... every step is carefully calculated and prepared."

One candidate had an entire entire campaign that was based on scripted talking points and poll-tested memorized statements. That's why e.g. he flipped so quickly on drafting women, for example.

It's actually extremely eerie - one of Dewey's nicknames was 'the little man'.

Who does that remind you of?
Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump. Not the person you're obviously trying to get us to say.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 09:34:28 PM »

Describe which candidate in the 2016 field fits this description:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey

About Dewey -

. He spoke in platitudes, trying to transcend politics. Speech after speech was filled with empty statements of the obvious, such as the famous quote: "You know that your future is still ahead of you." An editorial in the Louisville Courier-Journal summed it up:

No presidential candidate in the future will be so inept that four of his major speeches can be boiled down to these historic four sentences: Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. Our future lies ahead......

Dewey's frequent refusal to discuss specific issues and proposals in his campaigns was based partly on his belief in public opinion polls; one biographer claimed that he "had an almost religious belief in the revolutionary science of public-opinion sampling."[93] He was the first presidential candidate to employ his own team of pollsters, and when a worried businessman told Dewey in the 1948 presidential campaign that he was losing ground to Truman and urged him to "talk specifics in his closing speeches", Dewey and his aide Paul Lockwood displayed polling data that showed Dewey still well ahead of Truman, and Dewey told the businessman "when you're leading, don't talk."[93]

In 1940, Walter Lippman regarded him as an opportunist, who "changes his views from hour to hour… always more concerned with taking the popular position than he is in dealing with the real issues."[94] The journalist John Gunther wrote that "There are plenty of vain and ambitious and uncharming politicians. This would not be enough to cause Dewey's lack of popularity. What counts more is that so many people think of him as opportunistic. Dewey seldom goes out on a limb by taking a personal position which may be unpopular ... every step is carefully calculated and prepared."

One candidate had an entire entire campaign that was based on scripted talking points and poll-tested memorized statements. That's why e.g. he flipped so quickly on drafting women, for example.

It's actually extremely eerie - one of Dewey's nicknames was 'the little man'.

Who does that remind you of?
Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump. Not the person you're obviously trying to get us to say.

The steps Trump and Sanders made were calculated and prepared? Everything they did was based on push polling? It's more like they were most the unpredictable candidates that were the least likely to make such calculations.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2017, 09:53:23 PM »

Describe which candidate in the 2016 field fits this description:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey

About Dewey -

. He spoke in platitudes, trying to transcend politics. Speech after speech was filled with empty statements of the obvious, such as the famous quote: "You know that your future is still ahead of you." An editorial in the Louisville Courier-Journal summed it up:

No presidential candidate in the future will be so inept that four of his major speeches can be boiled down to these historic four sentences: Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. Our future lies ahead......

Dewey's frequent refusal to discuss specific issues and proposals in his campaigns was based partly on his belief in public opinion polls; one biographer claimed that he "had an almost religious belief in the revolutionary science of public-opinion sampling."[93] He was the first presidential candidate to employ his own team of pollsters, and when a worried businessman told Dewey in the 1948 presidential campaign that he was losing ground to Truman and urged him to "talk specifics in his closing speeches", Dewey and his aide Paul Lockwood displayed polling data that showed Dewey still well ahead of Truman, and Dewey told the businessman "when you're leading, don't talk."[93]

In 1940, Walter Lippman regarded him as an opportunist, who "changes his views from hour to hour… always more concerned with taking the popular position than he is in dealing with the real issues."[94] The journalist John Gunther wrote that "There are plenty of vain and ambitious and uncharming politicians. This would not be enough to cause Dewey's lack of popularity. What counts more is that so many people think of him as opportunistic. Dewey seldom goes out on a limb by taking a personal position which may be unpopular ... every step is carefully calculated and prepared."

One candidate had an entire entire campaign that was based on scripted talking points and poll-tested memorized statements. That's why e.g. he flipped so quickly on drafting women, for example.

It's actually extremely eerie - one of Dewey's nicknames was 'the little man'.

Who does that remind you of?
Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump. Not the person you're obviously trying to get us to say.

The steps Trump and Sanders made were calculated and prepared? Everything they did was based on push polling? It's more like they were most the unpredictable candidates that were the least likely to make such calculations.
Is there an actual reason for this thread, or are you just trolling for agreement?
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2017, 10:00:35 PM »

Describe which candidate in the 2016 field fits this description:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey

About Dewey -

. He spoke in platitudes, trying to transcend politics. Speech after speech was filled with empty statements of the obvious, such as the famous quote: "You know that your future is still ahead of you." An editorial in the Louisville Courier-Journal summed it up:

No presidential candidate in the future will be so inept that four of his major speeches can be boiled down to these historic four sentences: Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. Our future lies ahead......

Dewey's frequent refusal to discuss specific issues and proposals in his campaigns was based partly on his belief in public opinion polls; one biographer claimed that he "had an almost religious belief in the revolutionary science of public-opinion sampling."[93] He was the first presidential candidate to employ his own team of pollsters, and when a worried businessman told Dewey in the 1948 presidential campaign that he was losing ground to Truman and urged him to "talk specifics in his closing speeches", Dewey and his aide Paul Lockwood displayed polling data that showed Dewey still well ahead of Truman, and Dewey told the businessman "when you're leading, don't talk."[93]

In 1940, Walter Lippman regarded him as an opportunist, who "changes his views from hour to hour… always more concerned with taking the popular position than he is in dealing with the real issues."[94] The journalist John Gunther wrote that "There are plenty of vain and ambitious and uncharming politicians. This would not be enough to cause Dewey's lack of popularity. What counts more is that so many people think of him as opportunistic. Dewey seldom goes out on a limb by taking a personal position which may be unpopular ... every step is carefully calculated and prepared."

One candidate had an entire entire campaign that was based on scripted talking points and poll-tested memorized statements. That's why e.g. he flipped so quickly on drafting women, for example.

It's actually extremely eerie - one of Dewey's nicknames was 'the little man'.

Who does that remind you of?
Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump. Not the person you're obviously trying to get us to say.

The steps Trump and Sanders made were calculated and prepared? Everything they did was based on push polling? It's more like they were most the unpredictable candidates that were the least likely to make such calculations.
Is there an actual reason for this thread, or are you just trolling for agreement?

The reason is to demonstrate that the 'person' has more historical parallels to Dewey and Dukakis than anyone else.

What is disagreeable about this? Did Trump and Sanders not go out of their way to be offensive in almost every speech they made (they exact opposite approach)?
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2017, 10:14:29 PM »

We keep saying that uti2 doesn't know what he's doing when he makes leading threads. He knows exactly what he's doing.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2017, 10:19:01 PM »

But is he wrong?
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2017, 08:11:00 PM »

This notion that uti2 doesn’t know what he’s doing is just not true. He knows exactly what he’s doing.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2017, 05:02:42 AM »

Lol.

Thomas Dewey gets a really bad rap on here. While he certainly did blow it in 1948, it wasn't because he didn't have it in him to run a feisty campaign, he miscalculated on what voters were looking for.

Dewey ran partisan and bombastic campaigns for New York Governor and in 1944 was a partisan mudslinger: He almost implied publicly that Roosevelt was in on the Pearl Harbor attack, for example, and George Marshall once had to implore Dewey not to talk about certain actions in the Pacific as it would compromise American intelligence.

Dewey concluded in 1948 that the aggressive approach that he had used in 1944 had lost him more voters than he gained and decided to run like an incumbent against Truman hoping that Truman would sink himself, and then became vulnerable to the empty-suit accusations that Truman threw as Dewey lacked the stature of Roosevelt.  His own advisers didn't help either, assuring him over the course of the campaign that his lead was unassailable: On one occasion, for example, Truman in a speech implied Dewey was linked with fascist ideals; Dewey wanted to hit back hard, but his advisors stopped him.  Dewey was certainly capable of being feisty, partisan and "alive" on the trail (look at what he did to Harold Stassen's career), he just miscalculated on what voters were looking for.

Tl;Dr Comparing Tom Dewey to Marco Rubio is an insult to Tom Dewey.
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