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« on: June 28, 2017, 04:31:08 AM »
« edited: June 28, 2017, 09:29:08 AM by Shadows »

If they do this, goodbye Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina.
No, it will help the Democrats expand the map.

FDR increased tax from 25% to 94%, introduced Minimum Wage, Social Security & won. Harry Truman made the biggest political comeback in US history with a much bigger upset than Trump in 1948 by running on Single Payer. They won the deep South too. That doesn't mean Democrats will win the South on healthcare but there is no indication they would do worse than the status quo.

Jeff Merkley also endorsed Single Payer. I can see Gillibrand flip-flopping if she thinks the idea is popular. O'Malley will run on anything. And I would say there is a 30-40% off chance than Booker & Cuomo embrace this if Trumpcare passes !

Jeff Merkley in a rally with Bernie - Every country gives free healthcare with the right of citizenship. How about we have a Medicare-for-all here? (He posted the remark again separately in his FB Page) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZwlRSh8aE

And then came in a CNN interview - Obamacare & the exchange was the Conservative option. Atleast a public option in ACA would have cut the costs in half which it did in Rhode Island & many other states. My preference is a Single Payer, Medicare for all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQV2F6Un1qI

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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 09:26:25 AM »
« Edited: June 28, 2017, 09:28:46 AM by Shadows »

No other wealthy nation even has this debate.

Plenty of other wealthy countries don't have single payer health care.

Only Canada and the UK do, if I'm correct.


Japan, Norway, Finland, New Zealand, Italy, Portugal, Sweden, Finland, Spain, most Gulf countries. Some people call Portugal a multi-payer which is disputed because SNS is free, universal, national, etc. Even the countries which have Multi-payer or Mandates like Germany etc have 80-85-90% of the system as Single Payer within the Multi-payer/Mandate system. Multi-payer potentially could be a better option but ACA was the multi-payer/Insurance Mandate type option & it failed.

It is impossible to implement unless both parties are ideologically similar - So that they don't play around with coverage or income levels. Plus, in US multi-payer/Mandate type universal healthcare is impossible considering the courts will find an income level & forced insurance like Germany unconstitutional !
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2017, 07:54:36 PM »

No other wealthy nation even has this debate.

Plenty of other wealthy countries don't have single payer health care.

Only Canada and the UK do, if I'm correct.


Japan, Norway, Finland, New Zealand, Italy, Portugal, Sweden, Finland, Spain, most Gulf countries. Some people call Portugal a multi-payer which is disputed because SNS is free, universal, national, etc. Even the countries which have Multi-payer or Mandates like Germany etc have 80-85-90% of the system as Single Payer within the Multi-payer/Mandate system. Multi-payer potentially could be a better option but ACA was the multi-payer/Insurance Mandate type option & it failed.

It is impossible to implement unless both parties are ideologically similar - So that they don't play around with coverage or income levels. Plus, in US multi-payer/Mandate type universal healthcare is impossible considering the courts will find an income level & forced insurance like Germany unconstitutional !
Finland has a public option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Finland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare. Canada and Taiwan are the only ones with single-payers. Others have multi-payer. A 2001 article in the public health journal Health Affairs studied fifty years of American public opinion of various health care plans and concluded that, while there appears to be general support of a "national health care plan," poll respondents "remain satisfied with their current medical arrangements, do not trust the federal government to do what is right, and do not favor a single-payer type of national health plan."[106

Finland is 100% a Single payer. Everyone has a public, government provided National Health Insurance (NHI). The private insurance is barely 2-3-4% odd & it is mostly dentistry, physiotherapy etc.

This is why people need to read & understand Healthcare rather then reading half as*ed Wikipedia articles. More than a third of universal healthcare countries including many European countries are Single Payer. 2001 is irrelevant & is 15 years back. As a matter of fact, people didn't even support Medicare & Medicaid initially. When Truman won the election running on Single Payer, the AMA turned it Communist, government take-over & many groups mobilized people & politicians & defeated him. LBJ had to play the poor & old card continously to get Medicare & Medicaid passed after the AMA had initially opposed it.

Public option has chanced. There are dozens of studies posted multiple times that shows anywhere between 55 to 60% or more of the people support Universal Healthcare/ Medicare-for-all/ Single Payer !
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2017, 04:55:35 AM »



And people approve of it ! All those socialists in the polls !
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2018, 02:14:12 PM »

I dont want my taxes raised so some poor person, don't have to work for their healthcare.

Almost every first world country has some version of single payer healthcare, and in every case the taxes going towards healthcare are far less than what Americans pay for healthcare. Keep in mind that in a single payer system in exchange for paying more in taxes you would not need to pay for healthcare directly, so it's a beneficial trade off. You would be saving money, likely a lot of money, in a switch to a single payer system -- as would everyone else, except for a handful of execs in the healthcare industry.
That's not true. Germany has a multi-player system...France does...

If you’re being technical Germany and France don’t have single payer, but given the context of the sentence, I think he’s using that term more loosely as to mean every 1st world country doesn’t have a for profit price gouging middle man profiting of one’s illness anywhere to the degree it does here.
The problem is that the term single-payer is being bast*r*ized and contorted. I favor improved Obamacare. I don't want a single-payer system at all. I don't think the NHS is a workable model in the United States - I'd rather we emulate Germany. I don't think it's right to ban private insurance either - just offer public insurance that will give the private insurance companies some real competition for their money.

Germany doesn't have competitive private insurance market & no country does. There is no workable private insurance model anywhere in the world in health insurance.

In Germany, 90% of the people are under a Single Payer system, the top 10% have Private Insurance (which is super heavily regulated). They are separately by income slabs which is unconstitutional in the case of America. There is no real noticeable benefit of having an Insurance Mandate or Multi payer system in general & all of them would be unconstitutional in America if they have to be universal (It can't be Universal & constitutional).
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