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H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY
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« on: June 28, 2017, 03:41:18 AM »
« edited: June 28, 2017, 03:43:06 AM by Solidarity Forever »

Former intelligence officer Oscar Pérez, along with four masked men, claimed responsibility and called for war against the government in a video.
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 03:58:13 AM »

The government has (in response?) transferred the attorney general's powers to the ministry of defense. The attorney general, Luisa Ortega, has been the major (only?) voice in the government against the slide into dictatorship, and some believe the attack was a false flag to strip her of her powers and continue the consolidation of power in general.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2017, 07:29:39 AM »

Knowing nothing about the details other than what's been posted in this thread, I'd bet money on false flag.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2017, 09:03:08 AM »

Yep, this reeks of a false flag operation. I can't wait for certain posters (well, maybe just one by this point) to defend Maduro yet again Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2017, 10:38:32 AM »

Yep, this reeks of a false flag operation. I can't wait for certain posters (well, maybe just one by this point) to defend Maduro yet again Roll Eyes

Even Chomsky has long ago washed his hands of Venezuela's regime. I believe only a few diehards are left over - maybe Sean Penn and Danny Glover and a few hardcore academic and online leftists who blame it all on Western imperialism.

False flag or not the majority of people are against what is happening. The government's response has only served to worsen the situation - stalling the process for referendum, removing power of the assembly, demonetization, forced labor, price fixing, 320% increase in min wage, police corruption, arrest of dissidents and rivals.
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2017, 11:34:59 AM »

Yep, this reeks of a false flag operation. I can't wait for certain posters (well, maybe just one by this point) to defend Maduro yet again Roll Eyes

Even Chomsky has long ago washed his hands of Venezuela's regime. I believe only a few diehards are left over - maybe Sean Penn and Danny Glover and a few hardcore academic and online leftists who blame it all on Western imperialism.

False flag or not the majority of people are against what is happening. The government's response has only served to worsen the situation - stalling the process for referendum, removing power of the assembly, demonetization, forced labor, price fixing, 320% increase in min wage, police corruption, arrest of dissidents and rivals.

I hate to say it, but a coup may be the only realistic option at this point.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2017, 12:14:55 PM »

Yep, this reeks of a false flag operation. I can't wait for certain posters (well, maybe just one by this point) to defend Maduro yet again Roll Eyes

Even Chomsky has long ago washed his hands of Venezuela's regime. I believe only a few diehards are left over - maybe Sean Penn and Danny Glover and a few hardcore academic and online leftists who blame it all on Western imperialism.

False flag or not the majority of people are against what is happening. The government's response has only served to worsen the situation - stalling the process for referendum, removing power of the assembly, demonetization, forced labor, price fixing, 320% increase in min wage, police corruption, arrest of dissidents and rivals.

I hate to say it, but a coup may be the only realistic option at this point.


It's still too soon to say that; there's not quite enough evidence that the regime won't let itself be defeated at the ballot box to justify a coup in terms of legitimacy.
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2017, 12:25:27 PM »

Yep, this reeks of a false flag operation. I can't wait for certain posters (well, maybe just one by this point) to defend Maduro yet again Roll Eyes

Even Chomsky has long ago washed his hands of Venezuela's regime. I believe only a few diehards are left over - maybe Sean Penn and Danny Glover and a few hardcore academic and online leftists who blame it all on Western imperialism.

False flag or not the majority of people are against what is happening. The government's response has only served to worsen the situation - stalling the process for referendum, removing power of the assembly, demonetization, forced labor, price fixing, 320% increase in min wage, police corruption, arrest of dissidents and rivals.

I hate to say it, but a coup may be the only realistic option at this point.


Maduro is in another world thinking the US would try to stop a coup against his regime? Seriously, when he's also saying at the same time that the CIA was behind helping his rivals? A leftist dictator like him saying that about Trump of all people with their regime change history and longtime anti-socialist tendencies? Pure delusion.

https://panampost.com/pedro-garcia/2017/06/28/pilot-hijacks-helicopter-in-venezuela-fires-on-supreme-court-and-ministry-of-interior/

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2017, 12:45:53 PM »

Here's a cool picture of the pilot of the helicopter, Oscar Pérez:


https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/880106497690279936
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2017, 02:38:14 PM »

I hate to say it, but a coup may be the only realistic option at this point.

Well, by going full-authoritarian even an elected government loses its legitimacy. But the only coup I could possibly be looking with hope toward is the one to quickly restore full democracy and withdraw to the barracks. Otherwise it's bad replaced by possibly worse.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2017, 03:25:24 PM »

The guy who did it's been posting antigovernment things on his Instagram for a while, so it seems like this would have to be a fairly long con for it to be a false flag IMHO.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2017, 07:37:24 PM »

I hate to say it, but a coup may be the only realistic option at this point.

Well, by going full-authoritarian even an elected government loses its legitimacy. But the only coup I could possibly be looking with hope toward is the one to quickly restore full democracy and withdraw to the barracks. Otherwise it's bad replaced by possibly worse.

The Venezuelan officer corps is dominated by Chavistas. The top brass de facto already rule the country.
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2017, 08:12:19 PM »

I hate to say it, but a coup may be the only realistic option at this point.

Well, by going full-authoritarian even an elected government loses its legitimacy. But the only coup I could possibly be looking with hope toward is the one to quickly restore full democracy and withdraw to the barracks. Otherwise it's bad replaced by possibly worse.

The Venezuelan officer corps is dominated by Chavistas. The top brass de facto already rule the country.

All it takes is a disaffected colonel or two...
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2017, 09:34:41 PM »

I hate to say it, but a coup may be the only realistic option at this point.

Well, by going full-authoritarian even an elected government loses its legitimacy. But the only coup I could possibly be looking with hope toward is the one to quickly restore full democracy and withdraw to the barracks. Otherwise it's bad replaced by possibly worse.

The Venezuelan officer corps is dominated by Chavistas. The top brass de facto already rule the country.

All it takes is a disaffected colonel or two...


No, not if the bulk of the army is against them. Even if succesful at first (which is very unlikely) they would quickly be removed.
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2017, 09:36:57 PM »

LOL at all the posters that seem right out of the Bush administration CIA in 2002. "We can just have a coup in Venezuela since no one there really likes their President."
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2017, 11:56:19 PM »

Yep, this reeks of a false flag operation. I can't wait for certain posters (well, maybe just one by this point) to defend Maduro yet again Roll Eyes

Even Chomsky has long ago washed his hands of Venezuela's regime. I believe only a few diehards are left over - maybe Sean Penn and Danny Glover and a few hardcore academic and online leftists who blame it all on Western imperialism.

False flag or not the majority of people are against what is happening. The government's response has only served to worsen the situation - stalling the process for referendum, removing power of the assembly, demonetization, forced labor, price fixing, 320% increase in min wage, police corruption, arrest of dissidents and rivals.

The followers of LaRouche and Zinn might still be supportive of Maduro.
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2017, 12:24:28 AM »

LOL at all the posters that seem right out of the Bush administration CIA in 2002. "We can just have a coup in Venezuela since no one there really likes their President."

I mean the difference now is that Maduro is actually unpopular.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2017, 01:36:45 AM »

LOL at all the posters that seem right out of the Bush administration CIA in 2002. "We can just have a coup in Venezuela since no one there really likes their President."

I mean the difference now is that Maduro is actually unpopular.

There are so many regimes worse than Maduro I don't see how anyone really supports intervening to overthrow him. I would prefer to live in Venezuela over Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria, for instance.
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2017, 05:05:53 AM »

LOL at all the posters that seem right out of the Bush administration CIA in 2002. "We can just have a coup in Venezuela since no one there really likes their President."

I mean the difference now is that Maduro is actually unpopular.

There are so many regimes worse than Maduro I don't see how anyone really supports intervening to overthrow him. I would prefer to live in Venezuela over Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria, for instance.

2014...sure.

2017? i would take my chances in teheran, ryad and damascus over caracas.
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2017, 06:54:20 AM »

LOL at all the posters that seem right out of the Bush administration CIA in 2002. "We can just have a coup in Venezuela since no one there really likes their President."

I mean the difference now is that Maduro is actually unpopular.

There are so many regimes worse than Maduro I don't see how anyone really supports intervening to overthrow him. I would prefer to live in Venezuela over Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria, for instance.
Iran and Saudi Arabia have awful but stable governments, and most people appreciate stability
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2017, 07:47:06 AM »

LOL at all the posters that seem right out of the Bush administration CIA in 2002. "We can just have a coup in Venezuela since no one there really likes their President."

I mean the difference now is that Maduro is actually unpopular.

There are so many regimes worse than Maduro I don't see how anyone really supports intervening to overthrow him. I would prefer to live in Venezuela over Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria, for instance.

The biggest thing is how far they have fallen. Venezuela used to be one of the most  prosperous countries in South America. It now has the highest murder rate in the world and tons of corruption.

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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2017, 08:21:43 AM »

The biggest thing is how far they have fallen. Venezuela used to be one of the most  prosperous countries in South America. It now has the highest murder rate in the world and tons of corruption.
Well, they used to be free...since I still had the Freedom House spreadsheet open I looked 'em up.  In 1972 they had a 2/2 (political rights/civil liberties...lower is better 1-7 range) rating.  On par with Finland, Fiji and Lebanon.  And not too far behind Ireland and Italy's 1/2 and Japan's 2/1.  Way better than Spain and S.Korea (5/5) and Brazil (5/6).  In '98 when Chavez came to power they still were pretty good at 2/3.  By 2011 they had fallen to a 5/5.  5/6 last year, which would look fine if they were in Africa, but the numbers look out of place compared to the rest of the western hemisphere (except Cuba of course 7/6).
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2017, 08:39:30 AM »

i am pretty sure, most venezuelans would prefer living in cuba atm.

it's mindboggling how much a dictatorship is able to bring down one of the richtest countries in the world, even if the riches are natural-bound.
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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2017, 10:43:12 AM »

LOL at all the posters that seem right out of the Bush administration CIA in 2002. "We can just have a coup in Venezuela since no one there really likes their President."
It's rather disgusting. Venezuela made their bed and they must lie in it for a while.
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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2017, 11:04:46 AM »

LOL at all the posters that seem right out of the Bush administration CIA in 2002. "We can just have a coup in Venezuela since no one there really likes their President."
It's rather disgusting. Venezuela made their bed and they must lie in it for a while.

a majority voted against the government during the last parliamentarian election, the partisan courts just "shuffled" the outcome enough to soften up the results.
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