Automakers start cutting US jobs

[Sir Mohamed]

After Years of Growth, Automakers Are Cutting U.S. Jobs (NYT)

So much for the winning on jobs (or is it just fake news from the failing New York Times, Mr. President?)

But actually not surprising. Long-term most jobs will be in the digital industry and all sorts of services.

[Senator-elect Spark]

Just imagine what will happen in the future to the Midwest when robots start taking over peoples' jobs. Talk about protectionism.. How do think that would turn out?

[vanguard96]

Just imagine what will happen in the future to the Midwest when robots start taking over peoples' jobs. Talk about protectionism.. How do think that would turn out?

Are you all hyped up about automation like the socialist fearmongers are?

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Just imagine what will happen in the future to the Midwest when robots start taking over peoples' jobs. Talk about protectionism.. How do think that would turn out?

This is why we need a public works program. Big business only cares about profit, it's not going to supply jobs.

[Matty]

Just imagine what will happen in the future to the Midwest when robots start taking over peoples' jobs. Talk about protectionism.. How do think that would turn out?

This is why we need a public works program. Big business only cares about profit, it's not going to supply jobs.

jobs are a means, not an end. the goal of any individual is to get something done with the least amount of labor as possible. The goal of an economy is to provide a good or service with the least amount of cost as possible.

[vanguard96]

Just imagine what will happen in the future to the Midwest when robots start taking over peoples' jobs. Talk about protectionism.. How do think that would turn out?

This is why we need a public works program. Big business only cares about profit, it's not going to supply jobs.

jobs are a means, not an end. the goal of any individual is to get something done with the least amount of labor as possible. The goal of an economy is to provide a good or service with the least amount of cost as possible.

Of course jobs are a means to provide not only for yourself and your families but a means to offer further values to others and trade your expertise and comparative advantage with other people. It also gives many people a sense of fulfillment - example if they work on a project and there skills - be it engineering, artistic, organizational, sales, etc saw a task completed that brought benefit to mutual parties and stakeholders beyond the traditional simplified buyer, seller, and stockholder that those with limited understanding of markets view the world.

I think it comes from an innate trust of 'well-intended' actors over a general 'invisible hand' of the economy which allows the individuals making transactions to allocate and distribute goods and services. Unfortunately this is a never-ending fight, and it seems and the 'someone should do something about it' mentality is a salient one.

[MasterJedi]

Just imagine what will happen in the future to the Midwest when robots start taking over peoples' jobs. Talk about protectionism.. How do think that would turn out?

This is why we need a public works program. Big business only cares about profit, it's not going to supply jobs.

jobs are a means, not an end. the goal of any individual is to get something done with the least amount of labor as possible. The goal of an economy is to provide a good or service with the least amount of cost as possible.

The infrastructure system in this country is a joke. It needs a lot of money and a lot of labor, perfect for the people that will be loosing jobs. Rebuild the bridges, roads, actually build a high speed rail/local LRT/BRT, etc around the country. It's a win/win.

[#gravelgang #lessiglad]

This isn't surprising. Auto sales have plateaued in the past few months - dealers have been selling CUVs but not a whole heck of a lot more.

Automakers need to recon with the younger demographic's reticence toward car ownership. Under 35s have a strong, demonstrated preference toward walkable, compact living spaces, for which the long term automotive strategy of two car families is no longer sustainable.

So unless automakers can somehow make a smart car popular, they will have to adapt lower demand.

[vanguard96]

Mazda & Toyota announced the other day as a part of their cooperation they will build a new manufacturing plant with a 300,000 vehicle capacity in the US - adding 4,000 jobs and costing $1.6B.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20170804/OEM01/170809828/toyota-mazda-will-build-$1.6-billion-u.s.-assembly-plant

The sites are already under consideration and Toyota indicated they would make an announcement late in the fall.

1/2 of the production would be for Corolla and 1/2 for a Crossover. Of the Corolla-sized crossover volume 100K would be a Mazda nameplate with 50K rebadged as a Toyota. The new plant would be ready in 2021.

It is to date not noted to be the C-HR small crossover which Toyota makes in Turkey of all places.
The RAV-4 is unchanged and is still made at the two Canadian plants. Corolla production in Canada will stop at the end of next year. Mississippi will continue with the Corolla. Guanajuato, Mexico will not make the next Corolla as originally intended - they will eventually take some of the Tacoma volume probably from San Antonio - who reportedly are 'maxed out' in terms of work shifts in early 2020.

Naturally, Trump disparaged the Corolla announcement of the plant in Guanajuato - mistakenly mentioning Baja Mexico (the Tacoma plant) in a tweet - and he's cheering the newest announcement.

No cuts (so far) despite a plateauing market.

[peter88]

interesting. even the Japanese leave something to do for people on their plants

[vanguard96]

interesting. even the Japanese leave something to do for people on their plants

You should go on a tour of some auto plants - Ford has the Rouge Factory tour as a part of the Henry Ford Museum complex in Dearborn, MI and Toyota offers tours at their plants in KY, TX, and a few other locations. Nissan does as well in Smyrna, TN near Nashville. Maybe some others do as well. I think you would learn something.

[Lechasseur]

Just imagine what will happen in the future to the Midwest when robots start taking over peoples' jobs. Talk about protectionism.. How do think that would turn out?

This is why we need a public works program. Big business only cares about profit, it's not going to supply jobs.

jobs are a means, not an end. the goal of any individual is to get something done with the least amount of labor as possible. The goal of an economy is to provide a good or service with the least amount of cost as possible.

The infrastructure system in this country is a joke. It needs a lot of money and a lot of labor, perfect for the people that will be loosing jobs. Rebuild the bridges, roads, actually build a high speed rail/local LRT/BRT, etc around the country. It's a win/win.

Agreed

[vanguard96]

Just imagine what will happen in the future to the Midwest when robots start taking over peoples' jobs. Talk about protectionism.. How do think that would turn out?

This is why we need a public works program. Big business only cares about profit, it's not going to supply jobs.

jobs are a means, not an end. the goal of any individual is to get something done with the least amount of labor as possible. The goal of an economy is to provide a good or service with the least amount of cost as possible.

The infrastructure system in this country is a joke. It needs a lot of money and a lot of labor, perfect for the people that will be loosing jobs. Rebuild the bridges, roads, actually build a high speed rail/local LRT/BRT, etc around the country. It's a win/win.

Agreed

High speed rail projects are rife with cost overruns. Ridership is usually way off the estimates given. The people riding pay way less than they should and the taxpayers way more of a burden especially in cities just starting out like LA or Detroit. Basically they are liberal, central planner's wet dreams. Many are 20th century solutions in a 21st century world. I would think that as a resident of Louisiana that you would not be on board with projects that people in urban areas and places like Ann Arbor (college towns) love and working class voters in places like Macomb County, Michigan - which went big for Trump, BTW - reject. Basically its the idea of cost-benefit analysis and if you live 45-1 hr away from the nearest train station, never use a bus, and only go to the city for a convention, concert, or sporting event taxes for a subway or metro rail that does not serve anything near you it will be a huge waste to have to pay 120 dollars extra a year for 20 years in property taxes for something that won't be finished for 10 years.

You no doubt see the highway workers on the side of the road in the construction zones. Invariably there is always seems to be at a least a 2:1 ratio of people standing around to actually working. If they give bonuses to work faster then they inevitably do shoddy work - example I-275 here in Michigan with the recent re-do. Ohio has ages-long projects on I-75 from Toledo down to nearly Dayton. Boston had the infamous Big Dig. These projects have had many unintended consequences that somehow they either ignore or underplay every time out:

* environmental in terms of extra emissions due to traffic
* increased accidents due to people using side roads not meant for heavy traffic as well as construction zones
* decreased revenue from diverted travel for extended periods from businesses along the route
* government contract awards that no matter what regulations are in place seem to be rife with corruption
* costs are passed on to people who may never even use a particular road.