Trump Jr./Russian lawyer meeting: Jr. knew info was part of Russian Gov effort

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

@ProudModerate2

I think that probably the only point in responding to EnglishPete is to offer a counterpoint to his absurdity (if that is even needed) for other users to see. But anyone thinking they will ever change his mind about anything would be making a tragic mistake. At best, he's just a guy who has already formed his opinion about Trump before anything ever happened, and he enters into every discussion with the assumption that whatever happened is either fake, a conspiracy against Trump, misunderstood and actually completely innocent, or even more, nothing to be alarmed about because both sides do it (or something like that). At worst, he's a troll trying to rile people up by playing the role of the ironclad supporter in the mold of Jeffrey Lord. I wouldn't necessarily fault people for that, I mean what can you realistically expect if you're constantly posting links to random right-wing blogs and acting as if they are proof, or have "interesting theories." All it proves is that Pete will believe anything anyone writes on a blog/news site so long as it aligns with his beliefs, which I must say is pretty ironic given how obsessed with calling out the fake news mainstream media Pete is.


Anyway, this thread is all but dead. The only purpose it serves now is for EnglishPete to rant about conspiracies and for people to argue with him, with some posts here and there about actual Trump/Don Jr scandal stuff. That is basically the future of all Atlas Russia threads now. They will get some interest for a time, but Pete will quickly become engrossed with it, driving it into the ground with his mindless blather as he fires off countless posts on every page.

Can we just quarantine EnglishPete's Trump-Russia posts to one megathread?

We need to quarantine ProudModerate2's crappy little 3-line hit and run posts too.

Fine by me

[Doimper]

@ProudModerate2

I think that probably the only point in responding to EnglishPete is to offer a counterpoint to his absurdity (if that is even needed) for other users to see. But anyone thinking they will ever change his mind about anything would be making a tragic mistake. At best, he's just a guy who has already formed his opinion about Trump before anything ever happened, and he enters into every discussion with the assumption that whatever happened is either fake, a conspiracy against Trump, misunderstood and actually completely innocent, or even more, nothing to be alarmed about because both sides do it (or something like that). At worst, he's a troll trying to rile people up by playing the role of the ironclad supporter in the mold of Jeffrey Lord. I wouldn't necessarily fault people for that, I mean what can you realistically expect if you're constantly posting links to random right-wing blogs and acting as if they are proof, or have "interesting theories." All it proves is that Pete will believe anything anyone writes on a blog/news site so long as it aligns with his beliefs, which I must say is pretty ironic given how obsessed with calling out the fake news mainstream media Pete is.


Anyway, this thread is all but dead. The only purpose it serves now is for EnglishPete to rant about conspiracies and for people to argue with him, with some posts here and there about actual Trump/Don Jr scandal stuff. That is basically the future of all Atlas Russia threads now. They will get some interest for a time, but Pete will quickly become engrossed with it, driving it into the ground with his mindless blather as he fires off countless posts on every page.

Can we just quarantine EnglishPete's Trump-Russia posts to one megathread?

We need to quarantine ProudModerate2's crappy little 3-line hit and run posts too.

He says, in a crappy little 1-line hit and run post

[ProudModerate2]

In a new Washington Post / ABC poll, 63% of those polled believe that the trump jr meeting with Russians was inappropriate. And, the results were by a more than 2-to-1 margin: 63% say inappropriate, 26% say appropriate.

What I cant understand is why so many Republicans that were polled would say this meeting is appropriate !
I mean ... Really ?

Link : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/17/most-americans-think-trump-jr-s-meeting-was-inappropriate-but-few-were-newly-convinced-of-collusion/?utm_term=.b8318382271f

[Virginiá]

He says, in a crappy little 1-line hit and run post

Santander always takes the CNN-style approach to things like this - completely balanced. No singling out Pete without also including a liberal too.

[ProudModerate2]

8th person at Trump Tower meeting identified.

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[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

8th person at Trump Tower meeting identified.

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More Russian money laundering connections. I've been saying for a long time that Trump's questionable financial shenanigans with Russians are more likely to get him into legal trouble than collaborating with Russian intelligence on the election.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-met-russian-accused-of-laundering-14-billion-dollars

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Such an ironically familiar turn of phrase. 

[GeorgiaModerate]

Could Trump Jr., Kushner, or Manafort Be Charged Under the Espionage Act?

[EnglishPete]

@ProudModerate2

I think that probably the only point in responding to EnglishPete is to offer a counterpoint to his absurdity (if that is even needed) for other users to see. But anyone thinking they will ever change his mind about anything would be making a tragic mistake. At best, he's just a guy who has already formed his opinion about Trump before anything ever happened, and he enters into every discussion with the assumption that whatever happened is either fake, a conspiracy against Trump, misunderstood and actually completely innocent, or even more, nothing to be alarmed about because both sides do it (or something like that). At worst, he's a troll trying to rile people up by playing the role of the ironclad supporter in the mold of Jeffrey Lord. I wouldn't necessarily fault people for that, I mean what can you realistically expect if you're constantly posting links to random right-wing blogs and acting as if they are proof, or have "interesting theories." All it proves is that Pete will believe anything anyone writes on a blog/news site so long as it aligns with his beliefs, which I must say is pretty ironic given how obsessed with calling out the fake news mainstream media Pete is.


Anyway, this thread is all but dead. The only purpose it serves now is for EnglishPete to rant about conspiracies and for people to argue with him, with some posts here and there about actual Trump/Don Jr scandal stuff. That is basically the future of all Atlas Russia threads now. They will get some interest for a time, but Pete will quickly become engrossed with it, driving it into the ground with his mindless blather as he fires off countless posts on every page.

Can we just quarantine EnglishPete's Trump-Russia posts to one megathread?

We need to quarantine ProudModerate2's crappy little 3-line hit and run posts too.

[EnglishPete]

Could Trump Jr., Kushner, or Manafort Be Charged Under the Espionage Act?

Well that article makes a number of dubious claims, such as the claim the the Russian lawyer was an agent of the Russian government and the claim that Donald Trump Jr believed her to be an agent of the Russian government. Also the assumption that Putin wanted Trump to win the election. The most telling bit of the article was the claim that Putin is an enemy of America and its 'liberal values'. That's the author's real problem with DonJr, not that he was acting against America but that he was acting against liberalism.

But let's look at the central claim, that its espionage to handle a collection of papers (a dossier if you will) that comes from a foreign agent, that is full of Russian propaganda and that purports to establish that a Presidential candidate has been compromised by the Russian government. Very interesting to claim that that particular scenario is espionage.

[ProudModerate2]

8th person at Trump Tower meeting identified.

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More Russian money laundering connections. I've been saying for a long time that Trump's questionable financial shenanigans with Russians are more likely to get him into legal trouble than collaborating with Russian intelligence on the election.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-met-russian-accused-of-laundering-14-billion-dollars

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Such an ironically familiar turn of phrase. 

Yes Ghost of Ruin, you may have something here.
This shady guy was involved with laundering money for the Russians back in the year 2000.
So why was he really at the meeting with trump jr ?
Was his "services" needed/required again (but this time by the trump family) ?
I'm not 100% certain, but something smells rotten in Denmark.

[The Other Castro]

Breaking: Trump Jr. and Manafort will testify publicly before the Senate Judiciary panel next Wednesday.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Breaking: Trump Jr. and Manafort will testify publicly before the Senate Judiciary panel next Wednesday.

Open? Or closed?

[The Other Castro]

Breaking: Trump Jr. and Manafort will testify publicly before the Senate Judiciary panel next Wednesday.

Open? Or closed?

Looks like it's open.

[TheSaint250]

That's great news

[Hindsight was 2020]

Breaking: Trump Jr. and Manafort will testify publicly before the Senate Judiciary panel next Wednesday.

Open? Or closed?

Looks like it's open.

Popcorn!!!!!!!!

[GeorgiaModerate]

Breaking: Trump Jr. and Manafort will testify publicly before the Senate Judiciary panel next Wednesday.

According to the NYT, Manafort was in debt to pro-Russia interests for as much as $17 million before he joined the Trump campaign.  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/paul-manafort-russia-trump.html

[ProudModerate2]

Breaking: Trump Jr. and Manafort will testify publicly before the Senate Judiciary panel next Wednesday.

According to the NYT, Manafort was in debt to pro-Russia interests for as much as $17 million before he joined the Trump campaign.  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/paul-manafort-russia-trump.html

Wow !!
This is some serious s**t !
With that much money owed to the Russians, he could have easily been "influenced" by the Russkie Government.
Someone please post Nuclear Elmo.

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[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Breaking: Trump Jr. and Manafort will testify publicly before the Senate Judiciary panel next Wednesday.

According to the NYT, Manafort was in debt to pro-Russia interests for as much as $17 million before he joined the Trump campaign.  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/paul-manafort-russia-trump.html

Wow !!
This is some serious s**t !
With that much money owed to the Russians, he could have easily been "influenced" by the Russkie Government.
Someone please post Nuclear Elmo.

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You got it, boss

[Person Man]

Breaking: Trump Jr. and Manafort will testify publicly before the Senate Judiciary panel next Wednesday.

According to the NYT, Manafort was in debt to pro-Russia interests for as much as $17 million before he joined the Trump campaign.  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/paul-manafort-russia-trump.html

Wow !!
This is some serious s**t !
With that much money owed to the Russians, he could have easily been "influenced" by the Russkie Government.
Someone please post Nuclear Elmo.

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You got it, boss

More like prison Elmo.

[GeorgiaModerate]

On the Manafort debt:

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[ProudModerate2]

On the Manafort debt:

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Maybe there was someone else (Putin or the Russkie Gov) that was paying him ?
Maybe there was an agreement to forgive his $17 million debt ?
It sure makes one wonder.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

On the Manafort debt:

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Maybe there was someone else (Putin or the Russkie Gov) that was paying him ?
Maybe there was an agreement to forgive his $17 million debt ?
It sure makes one wonder.

Perhaps working for Trump covered his rent payments (past or future).

[heatcharger]

Senate Judiciary Committee asks Trump Jr. to turn over any communications he had with Kremlin Jill Stein.

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Senate Judiciary Committee asks Trump Jr. to turn over any communications he had with Kremlin Jill Stein.

They're still blaming Jill Stein, too? Sad!

[heatcharger]

Senate Judiciary Committee asks Trump Jr. to turn over any communications he had with Kremlin Jill Stein.

They're still blaming Jill Stein, too? Sad!

You do realize Republicans have controlled the Senate since 2015, right? That means they get chairmanships on committees. I'm sure Chuck Grassley had a real problem with the way Stein sabotaged Clinton.