Hillary's Moment - did we get it all wrong?

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Hillary was certainly the strongest campaigner she's ever been between the couple days before New Hampshire 2008 and her concession speech that June. By far.

I also think it's rather compelling to suggest that she would have made better use of the congressional majorities than Obama did in the first two years of that term. On the flipside, many Obama primary voters probably would have acted just as rotten as Sanders voters did had she actually won the nomination, so that would have been quite challenging.

But yes, I'll say it over and over: Hillary's time was 2009-2017. Obama would have fared well as a successor in this environment, and in fact would have been a better president with more years under his belt.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Hillary should have won it in 2008. 2004 was too soon and she was too damaged of a political figure after Benghazi and the e-mail controversy.

You make the mistake of thinking people didn't trust/like Hillary in 2016 because of her "e-mails" or "Benghazi," lol. They didn't like her because they felt in their hearts that she was an over-ambitious harpy. The faux scandals gave them something to latch onto publicly that could seemingly legitimize their position. But if it couldn't be Benghazi or e-mails, it would've just been something else. There would have been a slew of other bullsh-t in 2004 not named e-mails but still equally as potent. And that's because the trajectory of the e-mail story was more a symptom of her being disliked than an actual cause.