S24: The LEARN Act of 2017

[JustinTimeCuber]

I move that the amendment be adopted by unanimous consent and that we proceed immediately to a final vote.

[JustinTimeCuber]

We have 51 hours left. Maybe if it's that important to amend it you all should bring it back up next session.

[JustinTimeCuber]

I move that by unanimous consent West_Midlander's amendment be adopted and that we move immediately afterwards to a final vote.

[JustinTimeCuber]

I think putting the "Diploma or GED" requirement back in for public 4/y universities would be alright.

We can do this, it just seems unnecessary considering that a diploma or GED would be under the requirements to attend a four-year (or a community college) anyway (and meeting the requirements to attend is already part of the bill).

Encke: STEM majors are excluded, in favor of STEM-major students pursuing education at vocational and trade schools, in place of sending all students to four-years in order to reduce the total cost of the bill.

I'm open to amendment to correct grammar, and to clarify that students have to announce their major upon application to a four-year. Students' aid will also be severed, should they switch to a non-covered major (but I don't think they should have to pay back for the year/years that were covered prior to switching majors).

There is no such thing as STEM education at a vocational school, as vocational schools teach practical, not conceptual, skills. Encouraging STEM-inclined students to attend vocational schools is a bad idea, because eventually students who want to major in STEM fields will end up exploiting the four-year provisions to get their first two years paid for.

I move that by unanimous consent West_Midlander's amendment be adopted and that we move immediately afterwards to a final vote.

You're going to move to a final vote without a cost analysis?

I'd kinda rather the chamber consider it next term, if no one can agree on it right now. As for cost analysis, I doubt it would be more than 30 or 40 billion dollars and that's a good use of money imo.

We have something like 32 hours to finish this, or it's dead until next session.

[JustinTimeCuber]

I think putting the "Diploma or GED" requirement back in for public 4/y universities would be alright.

We can do this, it just seems unnecessary considering that a diploma or GED would be under the requirements to attend a four-year (or a community college) anyway (and meeting the requirements to attend is already part of the bill).

Encke: STEM majors are excluded, in favor of STEM-major students pursuing education at vocational and trade schools, in place of sending all students to four-years in order to reduce the total cost of the bill.

I'm open to amendment to correct grammar, and to clarify that students have to announce their major upon application to a four-year. Students' aid will also be severed, should they switch to a non-covered major (but I don't think they should have to pay back for the year/years that were covered prior to switching majors).

There is no such thing as STEM education at a vocational school, as vocational schools teach practical, not conceptual, skills. Encouraging STEM-inclined students to attend vocational schools is a bad idea, because eventually students who want to major in STEM fields will end up exploiting the four-year provisions to get their first two years paid for.

I move that by unanimous consent West_Midlander's amendment be adopted and that we move immediately afterwards to a final vote.

You're going to move to a final vote without a cost analysis?

I'd kinda rather the chamber consider it next term, if no one can agree on it right now. As for cost analysis, I doubt it would be more than 30 or 40 billion dollars and that's a good use of money imo.

We have something like 32 hours to finish this, or it's dead until next session.

Yeah, if we're at a major impasse we can pick up with the bill as amended, next session (I will introduce it as amended and we can work from there). But we should move to a vote on the Modification of the Southern Heritage Act & The Parks and Recreation Bill of 2017 ASAP.

Alright, cool, I withdraw my motion.