Which CDs had the largest Trump-Democratic rep and Clinton-GOP discrepencies?
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Technocracy Timmy
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« on: July 19, 2017, 04:48:56 PM »

I'm talking about districts that voted for Clinton but their GOP representative and vice versa (Trump-Dem rep).

Which of these over 400 CD's has the biggest discrepancies between the up-ballot and down-ballot results?
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 05:28:06 PM »

Just posted a map of that
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=268158.0
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2017, 05:29:14 PM »

There are all 23 Clinton-Republican districts. Here's a chart about this topic:


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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2017, 05:31:17 PM »
« Edited: July 19, 2017, 05:36:55 PM by ossoff2028 »

The above table from DailyKos does not include uncontested seats. (it does, see below) I've long believed the biggest underperformances occur when one does not try at all.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2017, 05:32:29 PM »

The above table from DailyKos does not include uncontested seats. I've long believed the biggest underperformances occur when one does not try at all.

Texas' 32nd district?
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2017, 05:36:26 PM »
« Edited: July 19, 2017, 05:41:18 PM by ossoff2028 »

The above table from DailyKos does not include uncontested seats. I've long believed the biggest underperformances occur when one does not try at all.

Texas' 32nd district?
Whoops. I should have said it does not include overperformances and underperformances among districts that went for the same party for president (which is true). But Timmy's request appears to not have included those.

But, then again, I still think it was monumentally stupid for the Dems not to have run candidates in Buddy Carter's and Adam Kinzinger's districts.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2017, 05:46:00 PM »

This is also interesting:

How Republicans from Clinton-won districts voted on health care

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14 Republican "yes" votes from Clinton-won districts:

    John Culberson (TX-7)
    Carlos Curbelo (FL-26)
    Jeff Denham (CA-10)
    Darrell Issa (CA-49)
    Steve Knight (CA-25)
    Martha McSally (AZ-2)
    Erik Paulsen (MN-7)
    Dana Rohrabacher (CA-48)
    Peter Roskam (IL-6)
    Ed Royce (CA-39)
    Pete Sessions (TX-32)
    David Valdadao (CA-21)
    Mimi Walters (CA-45)
    Kevin Yoder (KS-3)
9 Republican "no" votes from Clinton-won districts:

    Mike Coffman (CO-6)
    Barbara Comstock (VA-10)
    Ryan Costello (PA-6)
    Will Hurd (TX-23)
    John Katko (NY-24)
    Leonard Lance (NJ-7)
    Pat Meehan (PA-7)
    Dave Reichert (WA-8)
    Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-27)
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2017, 08:32:53 PM »

Cool links and thanks for the responses!

Issa's vote on the AHCA still perplexes me. He's arguably the most vulnerable Clinton-district Republican and he still goes on to vote in favor of the bill.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2017, 08:54:00 PM »

Issa's vote on the AHCA still perplexes me. He's arguably the most vulnerable Clinton-district Republican and he still goes on to vote in favor of the bill.

That's the old delegate versus trustee argument. Do you elect someone to a legislature because you are delegating to them the responsibility to vote on legislation the way you yourself would, or are you electing someone because you trust that said person will exercise sound judgment, and will explain to you why they sometimes disagree with you?

As was famously said by Edmund Burke, a representative's responsibility to his constituents is "judgment," not "industry." Burke believed that a representative should be a trustee, not a delegate. When a representative disagrees with their own constituents, he owes it to them to vote his conscience, and explain to the constituents why HE is right and they are wrong. It's politically risky, but some voters DO respect it when their representative takes a risk like that.

Issa is very vulnerable, though. I doubt he'll win again, no matter how his constituents react to his AHCA vote and his efforts to explain why he voted that way.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2017, 09:40:40 PM »

That's the old delegate versus trustee argument. Do you elect someone to a legislature because you are delegating to them the responsibility to vote on legislation the way you yourself would, or are you electing someone because you trust that said person will exercise sound judgment, and will explain to you why they sometimes disagree with you?

As was famously said by Edmund Burke, a representative's responsibility to his constituents is "judgment," not "industry." Burke believed that a representative should be a trustee, not a delegate. When a representative disagrees with their own constituents, he owes it to them to vote his conscience, and explain to the constituents why HE is right and they are wrong. It's politically risky, but some voters DO respect it when their representative takes a risk like that.

This is a very good argument for a topic I started.
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