HBO Announces CONFEDERATE, a New Drama Series

[SoLongAtlas]

...Created By David Benioff and D.B. Weiss

https://medium.com/hbo-cinemax-pr/hbo-announces-confederate-a-new-drama-series-created-by-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-31e5d4e705bb

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Basically it's a modern day alt history version of if the South won, consequences, etc. Sounds a lot like Turtledove's Southern Victory series but with differences. They will do this after the final GoT season. Tea partiers and southern "Lost Cause" Repubs will love it!

[Mr. Reactionary]

Slavery in the 21st century? This isnt alternate history, this is just straight up fantasy.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Slavery in the 21st century? This isnt alternate history, this is just straight up fantasy.

SAY THAT TO ALL THE ACTUAL MODERN DAY SLAVES WHO ACTUALLY DO EXIST IN THIS COUNTRY. LEARN A BOOK OR SOMETHING

[Santander]

Slavery in the 21st century? This isnt alternate history, this is just straight up fantasy.

But Southerners are racists, you see. Even if their economy developed to a point where slavery was no longer practical or justifiable, they would've found new ways to keep their slaves purely out of contempt to blacks.

[SoLongAtlas]

Slavery in the 21st century? This isnt alternate history, this is just straight up fantasy.

But Southerners are racists, you see. Even if their economy developed to a point where slavery was no longer practical or justifiable, they would've found new ways to keep their slaves purely out of contempt to blacks.

Which is exactly what they did during Reconstruction with sharecroppers treated like slaves but paid basically next to nothing so they could justify that they were, in fact, no longer practicing prior de jure slavery.

If the South won, slavery would have continued well into the 20th century and then evolved into a strict almost-Indian under GB caste system.

[Virginiá]

I don't get what the big deal is. It's a TV show, which have a record for exploring all sorts of topics, ranging from insanely good to insanely stupid. No need to watch it if you think it's dumb.

And I'll say this - at least this is more realistic than corpses reanimating and taking over the world

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I've toyed with the idea for a few minutes of doing an alternate history Origins of Totalitarianism, but instead discussing the South in the aftermath of a ruinous world war (and perhaps with a segue into discussing their post-totalitarian trajectory into the mid-twentieth century).

[Santander]

Which is exactly what they did during Reconstruction with sharecroppers treated like slaves but paid basically next to nothing so they could justify that they were, in fact, no longer practicing prior de jure slavery.

If the South won, slavery would have continued well into the 20th century and then evolved into a strict almost-Indian under GB caste system.

All of which happened because of the catastrophic effects of the Civil War on the South's economy and society. The tyrannical Carpetbagger governors and federal government were more intent on punishing the South and imposing Northern social order upon the South rather than improving the underpinnings of the Southern economy so that it wasn't the slave-dependent backwater it was before the war. When Reconstruction ended because Northern Republicans were willing to trade away the South in exchange for stealing the Presidency, the Southern economy was still an agrarian shambles, and landowners did not have any other choice but to rent their land to sharecroppers, since that was the only system at the time that could replace slavery.

While it is possible that slavery in the Confederacy would've continued into the early 20th century without a Civil War, what we thought was ridiculous was that this TV show presents 21st century Confederate slavery as remotely serious alternate history.

[RINO Tom]

...Created By David Benioff and D.B. Weiss

https://medium.com/hbo-cinemax-pr/hbo-announces-confederate-a-new-drama-series-created-by-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-31e5d4e705bb

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Basically it's a modern day alt history version of if the South won, consequences, etc. Sounds a lot like Turtledove's Southern Victory series but with differences. They will do this after the final GoT season. Tea partiers and southern "Lost Cause" Repubs will love it!

Will White racist Democrats like it?  Is there even one such person in all of the US of A?!

[Jaguar4life]

Why the outrage?

[7,052,770]

The Man in the High Castle isn't remotely plausible either. What's the big deal?

[Mr. Morden]

The best twist on this show would be if the Confederacy gets taken over by an Abe Lincoln-esque figure like Tyrion, who abolishes slavery in favor of feudalism.

[Cory]

While it is possible that slavery in the Confederacy would've continued into the early 20th century without a Civil War, what we thought was ridiculous was that this TV show presents 21st century Confederate slavery as remotely serious alternate history.

This, basically.

It would've been a better idea to have it take place in the alt-history 1930's or something. Or maybe even the 1910's with the concept being the Great War spreads to America, Turtledove style.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

This is a bad idea.

[kcguy]

FYI, there was already a movie with the same general premise.  It's framed as a documentary by the British Broadcasting System.

 

[mvd10]

Dan & Dave making a series about slavery? Better prepare for the rape scenes...

[GoTfan]

I will admit this probably is not the best timing, but personally, the idea of a Southern Victory has been intriguing to me, and I love the idea that the guys who are doing Game of Thrones are also doing this. Plus, take a look at the description on HBO's Medium account:

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It definitely sounds like they're painting this new CSA as a horrible thing, and they seem to be building to some sort of major slve rebellion, and it definitely implies that some of the protagonists will be abolitionists.

Overall, I'm looking forward to it. Not the best timing, but I'll be tuning in regardless.

[Mr. Morden]

It definitely sounds like they're painting this new CSA as a horrible thing.

I'm not sure why reading that blurb would even be necessary to reach that conclusion.  Obviously a TV show made in 2017 is not going to be pro-slavery.

[Badger]

Slavery in the 21st century? This isnt alternate history, this is just straight up fantasy.

How? Suddenly Southern plantation owners would become nice? The states where the overwhelming majority of whites had to have not treating blacks as subhuman and economically exploited only half a century ago--a century AFTER "slavery being bad" having to sink into their heads would've been ok? Do you think South African whites would've given up Apartheid short of war with a CSA backing them to the hilt and demonstrating how modern day slavery was still OK?

[Badger]

I don't get what the big deal is. It's a TV show, which have a record for exploring all sorts of topics, ranging from insanely good to insanely stupid. No need to watch it if you think it's dumb.

And I'll say this - at least this is more realistic than corpses reanimating and taking over the world

You say that now Virginia, but when you and the others come pounding at my bunker door with the ghoulish hordes closing in....

[Statilius the Epicurean]

This show sounds absolutely stupid and horrible.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I don't get what the big deal is. It's a TV show, which have a record for exploring all sorts of topics, ranging from insanely good to insanely stupid. No need to watch it if you think it's dumb.

And I'll say this - at least this is more realistic than corpses reanimating and taking over the world

You say that now Virginia, but when you and the others come pounding at my bunker door with the ghoulish hordes closing in....

The Prince(ss) Who Was Promised will save us. And if not, there's always something to be done with a sonic screwdriver.

[Middle-aged Europe]

I understand that "Confederate" continues to receive a lot of criticism before the first episode is even filmed.

Which is curious, because with "The Man in the High Castle" there's currently a show in production which depicts America after the Nazis have won World War II. So, according to some people you can apparently do a show about Nazis ruling America, but not about a world in which the South has prevailed the American Civil War. Must have something to do with the fact that the Confederacy is a part of American history, while Nazism is not. Granted, in Germany it probably would be easier to do a TV show about the South winning the Civil War than Nazis winning World War II. It's still curious though, because at the end of the day the Confederates weren't worse than the Nazis.

[dead0man]

I understand that "Confederate" continues to receive a lot of criticism before the first episode is even filmed.

Which is curious, because with "The Man in the High Castle" there's currently a show in production which depicts America after the Nazis have won World War II. So, according to some people you can apparently do a show about Nazis ruling America, but not about a world in which the South has prevailed the American Civil War. Must have something to do with the fact that the Confederacy is a part of American history, while Nazism is not. Granted, in Germany it probably would be easier to do a TV show about the South winning the Civil War than Nazis winning World War II. It's still curious though, because at the end of the day the Confederates weren't worse than the Nazis.

it's because people like to tell other people that they are offended.  The Confederates winning/not losing the US Civil War is like the second most popular alt history fiction genre behind the Nazis winning.  It makes "bad guy" character development so easy.

[Mr. Smith]

I understand that "Confederate" continues to receive a lot of criticism before the first episode is even filmed.

Which is curious, because with "The Man in the High Castle" there's currently a show in production which depicts America after the Nazis have won World War II. So, according to some people you can apparently do a show about Nazis ruling America, but not about a world in which the South has prevailed the American Civil War. Must have something to do with the fact that the Confederacy is a part of American history, while Nazism is not. Granted, in Germany it probably would be easier to do a TV show about the South winning the Civil War than Nazis winning World War II. It's still curious though, because at the end of the day the Confederates weren't worse than the Nazis.

Denazification happened quickly, and while there is some resentment still there, it has nothing on The Lost Cause.

You don't see people like Corey Stewart winning anything in Germany do you?

It's much easier to write an alt-history when the scale of black and white is agreed to be black and white entirely.

Anyway, the more interesting question here isn't "What if The White South won", but rather "What happens to The North?"