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Lachi
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« on: July 24, 2017, 03:08:42 AM »
« edited: August 10, 2017, 04:35:45 AM by Lincoln Speaker Lok1999 »

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Endorsed: Gov. Mike Wells
72 hours for debate and amendments

Also, before we start, I would like to say that I am not happy with the inactivity of the current assembly.
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2017, 01:57:55 PM »

Unions are good, guys.
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2017, 02:04:17 PM »

Good on you guys for moving to take up this. It was originally written by JustinTimeCuber & myself but the session ran out and with the CoD being majority RW it would probably be DOA if re-introduced Tongue.
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2017, 02:27:02 PM »

Good on you guys for moving to take up this. It was originally written by JustinTimeCuber & myself but the session ran out and with the CoD being majority RW it would probably be DOA if re-introduced Tongue.

Santander's actually pro-union, IIRC.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2017, 03:24:35 PM »

Good on you guys for moving to take up this. It was originally written by JustinTimeCuber & myself but the session ran out and with the CoD being majority RW it would probably be DOA if re-introduced Tongue.

I had permission to take it from JTC ftr.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2017, 04:59:52 PM »

Yes, unions are a good thing, which is why I think this should pass.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2017, 10:07:51 PM »

This will be going to a vote if there is no debate within 24 hours.
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2017, 10:23:16 PM »
« Edited: July 27, 2017, 10:24:55 PM by fhtagn »

Not arguing the benefits of unions, as I am aware that they can sometimes be very good things.

But is it really reasonable to allow for situations where people can be required to join a union in order to be employed in certain fields? What if said union was not a good union (for example, we will use corruption as an issue)?

What if the employee cannot pay for union dues, or simply does not want to join a union at all?

Under right to work laws, unions still exist. Employees are still welcome to join unions. In fact, right to work laws keep unions from becoming corrupt (going back to my example), because people aren't forced to join them.

Another issue is that unions are often highly political. So what happens for an employee who is forced to join a union, and said union uses their money to support a political candidate they do not support?
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2017, 06:35:00 PM »

Still thinking of how shall I vote
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2017, 05:54:09 AM »

If no one else wants to reply, we will now go onto a 24 hour vote.
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2017, 07:19:08 PM »

Under right to work laws, unions still exist. Employees are still welcome to join unions.

That is true. But, because duty of fair representation, a union is supposed to represent every worker in a group, even if they aren't in the union. This creates a few problems. Nonmembers of a union can force a union to represent them, and this happens often. It just makes it harder for the unions to help the workers if more people are taking advantage of the union while not paying dues.

RTW has also been argued by some people (like this guy) as a violation of the freedom of contract and association.

Workers in right to work states also make less money, receive fewer benefits, and are at a higher risk of workplace death than workers in non-RTW states.

Only three states in Lincoln have RTW laws anyway, and Michigan's exempts certain unions from its law.

In fact, right to work laws keep unions from becoming corrupt (going back to my example), because people aren't forced to join them.

Unions can become corrupt even if people aren't required to join, and corruption in unions isn't really that common. (Unions are generally more transparent and leaders are more easily charged for wrongdoing than in business or government.)

Just to make fhtagn happy, I might make a bill which details what unions and employers can and can't do. (It would just be a copy and paste of the bullets in this link.)
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2017, 05:16:52 PM »

We will now have a vote.
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2017, 05:43:54 AM »

We are running on limited time...
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2017, 08:30:51 PM »

Anyone???
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2017, 07:39:10 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2017, 07:55:54 PM »

AYE
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2017, 04:09:57 AM »

aye
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2017, 04:35:28 AM »

With 3 ayes, the bill passes, and will go to the Governors office for signing.
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