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« on: July 27, 2017, 01:43:23 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/us/pew-muslim-american-survey/?iid=ob_homepage_deskrecommended_pool
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2017, 01:45:01 PM »

That's good news, though also largely a function of from where in the Muslim world these immigrants come from and that many are professionals who quickly find work and
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2017, 01:49:54 PM »

Good trends, they're also growing quicker
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2017, 01:51:03 PM »

Great News. The Less influence Islamic Teaching has on American Muslims, the Better.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2017, 01:59:07 PM »

52% accepting homosexuality is higher than Pew survey responses (same wording) for Mormons, Evangelical Protestants, Black Protestants and 2% less than all Christians as a whole.

But yet Muslims are somehow the 'scary other'.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2017, 02:12:07 PM »

52% accepting homosexuality is higher than Pew survey responses (same wording) for Mormons, Evangelical Protestants, Black Protestants and 2% less than all Christians as a whole.

But yet Muslims are somehow the 'scary other'.

It must be their banking system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking_and_finance
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2017, 02:12:53 PM »

52% accepting homosexuality is higher than Pew survey responses (same wording) for Mormons, Evangelical Protestants, Black Protestants and 2% less than all Christians as a whole.

But yet Muslims are somehow the 'scary other'.

Because that is relevant how?
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2017, 02:13:48 PM »

Probably because most American Muslims are highly educated.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2017, 02:25:02 PM »

Probably because most American Muslims are highly educated.

Exactly. Where I'm from, the average Muslim is not some scary terrorist, but a dweeby engineer.

Also, why would the average Muslim join America's main conservative party when said conservative party demonizes him or her?
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2017, 02:28:52 PM »

I can't imagine why. Has anything happened in the past few years that would helped explain this? Huh

Very mysterious.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2017, 02:29:16 PM »

Probably because most American Muslims are highly educated.

Exactly. Where I'm from, the average Muslim is not some scary terrorist, but a dweeby engineer.
Name one country where the "average" Muslim is a scary terrorist.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2017, 02:31:18 PM »

Probably because most American Muslims are highly educated.

Exactly. Where I'm from, the average Muslim is not some scary terrorist, but a dweeby engineer.
Name one country where the "average" Muslim is a scary terrorist.

 And the "Islamic State" doesn't count.
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2017, 02:41:23 PM »

Now, the right won't have anything to use to deflect when confronted about their homophobia.
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2017, 02:41:30 PM »

Probably because most American Muslims are highly educated.

Exactly. Where I'm from, the average Muslim is not some scary terrorist, but a dweeby engineer.
Name one country where the "average" Muslim is a scary terrorist.

 And the "Islamic State" doesn't count.
Even in ISIS-controlled territory, civilians far outnumber militants. It's not a giant training camp. If it was, we could just bomb the whole place to oblivion and be done with it.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2017, 02:43:28 PM »
« Edited: July 27, 2017, 02:45:20 PM by Fmr. Pres. Griffin »

Thanks, Republicans. The inability for the average conservative to distinguish between "terrorist" and "Muslim-American" - or even between "average Muslim (globally)" and "average Muslim-American" - is fueling this trend, as it is forcing Muslim Americans to adopt more liberal attitudes out of a knee-jerk reaction more than anything. Education levels also obviously play a role, but have been a relative constant for some time; Muslims were arguably majority-GOP as recently as 15 years ago despite being well-educated.

It's the same dynamic as what we've seen with Latinos: the negative stuff conservatives say about Mexicans may not apply to your average Latino (especially if they're not Mexican), but they know that the average conservative isn't very bright nor discerning in their application of these critiques; they essentially think everybody in [group] is the same and guilty of whatever lowest common denominators might exist.

This is why life-long Mexican citizens (along with Puerto Ricans and even Cubans, for that matter) have been shifting Democratic (Latinos as a whole were 45% GOP just 12 years ago), and why Hindus have been doing the same (majority GOP just 12 years ago): to your average Republican, "what's the difference?", and these groups know that.
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2017, 02:48:39 PM »

Thanks, Republicans. The inability for the average conservative to distinguish between "terrorist" and "Muslim-American" - or even between "average Muslim (globally)" and "average Muslim-American" - is fueling this trend, as it is forcing Muslim Americans to adopt more liberal attitudes out of a knee-jerk reaction more than anything. Education levels also obviously play a role, but have been a relative constant for some time; Muslims were arguably majority-GOP as recently as 15 years ago despite being well-educated.

It's the same dynamic as what we've seen with Latinos: the negative stuff conservatives say about Mexicans may not apply to your average Latino (especially if they're not Mexican), but they know that the average conservative isn't very bright nor discerning in their application of these critiques; they essentially think everybody in [group] is the same and guilty of whatever lowest common denominators might exist.

This is why life-long Mexican citizens (along with Puerto Ricans and even Cubans, for that matter) have been shifting Democratic (Latinos as a whole were 45% GOP just 12 years ago), and why Hindus have been doing the same (majority GOP just 12 years ago): to your average Republican, "what's the difference?", and these groups know that.

Dubya was estimated to have won about 80% of the Arab Muslim vote and close to 70% of the total muslim vote in 2000
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2017, 02:59:50 PM »

Duh thread of the month.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2017, 03:22:20 PM »

I told y'all that we were liberalizing. A lot has to do with the Republicans attitudes to us but a lot is because we're more educated.
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2017, 03:26:54 PM »

Probably because most American Muslims are highly educated.

Exactly. Where I'm from, the average Muslim is not some scary terrorist, but a dweeby engineer.
Name one country where the "average" Muslim is a scary terrorist.

None of them. I was trying to contrast the mental image of an Islamophobic bigot with what is reality. I'm sorry for coming off like that.

(And I really shouldn't have said "dweeby engineer" either, given the diversity of Muslim identities and occupations.)
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