Bernie in OK and WV

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Oklahoma and West Virginia were the only states, all of whose counties Trump won.
In the primaries he won both states with an overwhelming majority.
Do you think Bernie could have won at least one county in either state?

[Skunk]

Doubt he'd win a county in either but West Virginia's the far more likely of the two.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Clinton's "best" county in West Virginia was Monongalia Ct., which she lost by 10.16%.
Her "best" county in Oklahoma - by far!!! - was Oklahoma Ct., which she lost by "only" 10.5%.

[This is Eharding, guys]

No, but he would have a much higher chance in West Virginia.

[RINO Tom]

I think he'd win one coal county or something in WV ... no chance in OK.

EDIT: It would be REALLY interesting if all of the Southern states had closed primaries ... it would certainly have a fascinating effect on our primary process.  If that many people in Oklahoma are still registered Democrats, I imagine there would be even more in other Southern states, specifically Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama.

[VPH]

Clinton's "best" county in West Virginia was Monongalia Ct., which she lost by 10.16%.
Her "best" county in Oklahoma - by far!!! - was Oklahoma Ct., which she lost by "only" 10.5%.

Bernie would not have done very well in Oklahoma County, but I think he might have done better than Hillary in Monongalia County.

[This is Eharding, guys]

Tom, Florida, Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, and Louisiana have closed Democratic primaries.

[NOVA Green]

Clinton's "best" county in West Virginia was Monongalia Ct., which she lost by 10.16%.
Her "best" county in Oklahoma - by far!!! - was Oklahoma Ct., which she lost by "only" 10.5%.

Bernie would not have done very well in Oklahoma County, but I think he might have done better than Hillary in Monongalia County.

I went out on a limb and voted yes on both....

As others have noted Monongalia County and Oklahoma County would be the two that I think would have flipped.

Monongolia County is a major University County.... Oklahoma County has a major bulge in prime Bernie age Demographics 18-35 years olds, many of whom either sat out the election or voted for 3rd Party Candidates.

I have a hard time seeing Bernie performing worse than Clinton in either, and see it entirely plausible that he would have been able to eke out a narrow win in both.

[VPH]

Clinton's "best" county in West Virginia was Monongalia Ct., which she lost by 10.16%.
Her "best" county in Oklahoma - by far!!! - was Oklahoma Ct., which she lost by "only" 10.5%.

Bernie would not have done very well in Oklahoma County, but I think he might have done better than Hillary in Monongalia County.

I went out on a limb and voted yes on both....

As others have noted Monongalia County and Oklahoma County would be the two that I think would have flipped.

Monongolia County is a major University County.... Oklahoma County has a major bulge in prime Bernie age Demographics 18-35 years olds, many of whom either sat out the election or voted for 3rd Party Candidates.

I have a hard time seeing Bernie performing worse than Clinton in either, and see it entirely plausible that he would have been able to eke out a narrow win in both.

I firmly believe Bernie would have won the overall election, but I just don't think Oklahoma County would have flipped for any Democrat, not even Biden. Monongalia maybe for Biden, but that's about it.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Both would've lost all counties in OK and WV.

[Xing]

I doubt he would have won any in Oklahoma, since he probably wouldn't have done significantly better in Oklahoma county. Monongalia, WV might've gone for him, though.

[NOVA Green]

Clinton's "best" county in West Virginia was Monongalia Ct., which she lost by 10.16%.
Her "best" county in Oklahoma - by far!!! - was Oklahoma Ct., which she lost by "only" 10.5%.

Bernie would not have done very well in Oklahoma County, but I think he might have done better than Hillary in Monongalia County.

I went out on a limb and voted yes on both....

As others have noted Monongalia County and Oklahoma County would be the two that I think would have flipped.

Monongolia County is a major University County.... Oklahoma County has a major bulge in prime Bernie age Demographics 18-35 years olds, many of whom either sat out the election or voted for 3rd Party Candidates.

I have a hard time seeing Bernie performing worse than Clinton in either, and see it entirely plausible that he would have been able to eke out a narrow win in both.

I firmly believe Bernie would have won the overall election, but I just don't think Oklahoma County would have flipped for any Democrat, not even Biden. Monongalia maybe for Biden, but that's about it.

Both would've lost all counties in OK and WV.

Ok--- to keep the thread going, and continue the time honored Atlasian fashion of taking contrarian positions....

Trump narrowly captured over 50% in both Monongalia County (50.14%) and Oklahoma County (51.7%).

In the case of the former, it is pretty clear that there were a significant number of 3rd Party Voters, many of whom likely would have backed Bernie in a GE against Trump... (5% Libertarian, 2% Green,  1.5% Write-Ins (Bernie?).

Additionally, one needs to consider the increased turnout among Millennial voters in a College Town with Bernie running at the top of the Dem ticket. Also, one should also consider the economic populist appeal and messaging to WWC voters that could likely have flipped 2-3% of the voters that backed Trump mainly because of his economic protectionist messaging, that typically tend to vote Democratic on pocketbook issues.

Admittedly, Oklahoma County would be a slightly tougher slog....

As I covered elsewhere, you did have a bit of a swing towards HRC in Upper-Income precincts in Oklahoma County. Would those same voters have supported Bernie, or instead voted Libertarian or stayed home?

Still, Johnson scored 7.1% in Oklahoma County, many likely from younger voters, without any ballot option for Green or Write-In candidates. Also, as I noted there is a significant age spike among the 18-35 year old population in this County, many of whom likely did not vote at all.

Despite Oklahoma's stereotype as one of the buckles on the Bible Belt, there is also a strong residual economic populist strain that I suspect might have caused 2-3% of Trump voters in Oklahoma County to defect....

Anyways--- just throwing this out there, and looking forward to seeing y'all poke some holes in my contrarian argument.

[Hoosier_Nick]

Yeah, he would've had a chance in some of the college towns

[TML]

The last Democrat to win any counties in OK was Gore in 2000. In addition, the last Democrat to win Oklahoma County was Johnson in 1964, while the last Democrat to win Tulsa county was Roosevelt in 1936. Thus, I think it would have been difficult for any OK counties to flip.

On the other hand, the last Democrat to win any counties in WV was Obama in 2008. Given the effects of Hillary's anti-coal comment, as well as Bernie's ability to appeal to working-class voters, I think it is plausible that he could have at least avoided being "shut out" like Obama in 2012 and Hillary in 2016.

[libertpaulian]

OK is too religious.  WV is likelier, though, given The Bern's working-class appeal.

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WV but not OK.

[DrScholl]

No, no, no and another no. Something like half of his primary voters said they would vote for Trump in the general, which doesn't translate into winning a county.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

No, no, no and another no. Something like half of his primary voters said they would vote for Trump in the general, which doesn't translate into winning a county.

Citation needed

[Stranger in a strange land]

He might have won a county or two in WV against Trump. He would have won 5-10 or so vs Cruz and 15-20 vs Jeb. He wouldn't have won any in OK. 

[DrScholl]

No, no, no and another no. Something like half of his primary voters said they would vote for Trump in the general, which doesn't translate into winning a county.

Citation needed

Clearly you didn't pay much attention to the CNN exit polls.

[NOVA Green]

No, no, no and another no. Something like half of his primary voters said they would vote for Trump in the general, which doesn't translate into winning a county.

Citation needed

Clearly you didn't pay much attention to the CNN exit polls.

I definitely paid attention to the CNN exit polls, and they showed that Bernie beat HRC 70-25 among the 18-29 Demographic and 62-23 among the 30-44 Demographic in West Virginia.

Hence my argument that Monongalia County would likely have flipped....

35% of the County is 18-29, and 17% is 30-44.

There are no Exit Polls for the General Election in WV, and I have a  vague hunch that Millennial turnout was pretty low with high 3rd Party support among that demographic.

Regarding the "DINOs" and Pro-Trump Democrats in the Primary, it should also be noted that only 5% of WV residents aged 18-29 voted essentially for none of the above, the lowest of any age group.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

No, no, no and another no. Something like half of his primary voters said they would vote for Trump in the general, which doesn't translate into winning a county.

Citation needed

Clearly you didn't pay much attention to the CNN exit polls.

Bernie wins his voters almost 2-1 there, and wins the primary voters by 18 points in the gereral, compared to only 8 points for Hillary.

[DrScholl]

Pardon me, it was the CBS exit poll http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279430-nearly-half-of-sanders-voters-in-west-virginia-would-vote

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Pardon me, it was the CBS exit poll http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279430-nearly-half-of-sanders-voters-in-west-virginia-would-vote

That's if Hillary was the nominee. We already know that Hillary did poorly in WV.

[DrScholl]

Pardon me, it was the CBS exit poll http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279430-nearly-half-of-sanders-voters-in-west-virginia-would-vote

That's if Hillary was the nominee. We already know that Hillary did poorly in WV.

Sanders would have totally won West Virginia. Berniebros are so realistic.

No one who really is progressive would vote for Trump under any circumstances. Most of them were the same types that voted for a convicted felon in prison over Obama.