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« on: August 02, 2017, 08:11:32 PM »

In my opinion it should be :

Top 2: UK and Canada

3-5: Israel , India , Japan
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2017, 08:27:00 PM »

Ideally, Russia would be one of them.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 08:29:58 PM »

1. India
2. France
3. United Kingdom
4. Canada
5. Germany

(6. Israel
7. Mexico
8. Netherlands
9. Spain
10. Portugal
11. Brazil
12. Argentina
13. Japan
14. South Korea
15. Syrian National Council)
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 08:42:47 PM »

1. UK
2. Israel
3. France
4. Russia
5. India
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 08:58:38 PM »

Ireland, Poland, Vatican City, Lithuania, and Hungary.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 09:07:12 PM »

Australia, Canada, the EU, Japan, and Israel
(normal?)

South Korea just misses the cut but is definitely high on the list, along with small countries like New Zealand, Iceland, Norway, etc.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2017, 09:10:45 PM »


We should also be firm allies of Poland and Hungary as they fight to defend their sovereignty from the EU bureaucrats.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 09:13:52 PM »

Why are so many people listing India as a top 5 ally? India can be one in the short term, but in the long term they'll grow too big and will follow a foreign policy independent from the US, just like what China does right now. Geography and demographics, more than shared democracy or any details like that, will dictate these outcomes.
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2017, 09:15:47 PM »

Most people have given up all hope of good relations between the U.S. and China, the two most important big states. It's sad, if we teamed up we'd be unstoppable.
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2017, 09:18:57 PM »

Most people have given up all hope of good relations between the U.S. and China, the two most important big states. It's sad, if we teamed up we'd be unstoppable.

And I am sure that there are reasons for this just as compelling as those calling on the United States and the Soviet Union to put aside their differences during the Cold War. After all, wealth, resources, and ambition, rather than ideals of justice, ought to determine the world's fate.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2017, 09:37:00 PM »

1. UK
2. Canada
3. Israel
4. South Korea
5. Australia
6. France
7. India
8. Germany
9. Italy
10. Argentina
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2017, 09:57:39 PM »

Ideally i think:
1. Canada
2. United Kingdom
3. France
4. Israel
5. Russia
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2017, 12:56:55 AM »

1. UK
2. Canada
3. France
4. Germany
5. Italy
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2017, 02:39:12 AM »
« Edited: August 03, 2017, 02:44:31 AM by Crumpets »

The US is in kind of a weird position in that we can't really expect much from our allies in exchange for all we give them. The best we can hope for is that, by giving them economic, political, and military support, they can ensure stability in their immediate vicinity. Looking at what regions are of the greatest strategic interest to the US, I think it would probably have to be North America (obviously), Western Europe, and the Pacific Rim. So something like this overall:

Canada
Mexico
The EU (especially Germany)
Japan
Australia

Post-9/11 I would have probably switched out Japan and Australia for Israel and some modestly democratic Islamic country such as Turkey, but I feel like in the past few years, the strategic value of the Middle East has diminished significantly for the US.

It'll be interesting to see how the US deals with a post-Brexit UK. Obviously the two countries have so much in common and rely on each other so much economically and culturally that we're essentially tied together for the foreseeable future. At the same time, in a purely realist sense, the relative standing of the UK as a strategic partner diminishes significantly as a lone actor, relative to when it could hold a greater sway on the rest of the EU and their respective militaries.
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2017, 03:06:47 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2017, 08:58:59 AM »

Ireland, Poland, Vatican City, Lithuania, and Hungary.

lol I love and fully endorse this list.
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2017, 09:10:56 AM »

1. Canada
2. UK
3. Germany
4. Japan
5. Australia
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2017, 09:12:14 AM »


Care to explain?
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« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2017, 09:12:49 AM »

The idea that you believe allies can be ranked just shows how much you know about... well, anything.
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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2017, 09:14:57 AM »

Ireland, Poland, Vatican City, Lithuania, and Hungary.

Nah, dude: Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland. Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2017, 09:15:49 AM »

The two countries capable of ending human civilization at the push of a button being allies would be ideal, no? Nobody said it was realistic.
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2017, 09:20:46 AM »

The two countries capable of ending human civilization at the push of a button being allies would be ideal, no? Nobody said it was realistic.

I'm not against it, but Russia would ideally (while we're in that realm of thinking) reform a lot of its priorities and human rights policies before we openly paraded them around as an ally.
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2017, 09:22:41 AM »

1. EU
2. UK
3. Canada
4. Japan
5. Australia
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2017, 10:38:49 AM »

Any state that advocates decentralization of power
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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2017, 11:43:01 AM »

In addition to the ten countries I listed already, here are some more countries the U.S. should strengthen relations with:

- Azerbaijan
- Norway (relations are already pretty strong, but let's make them stronger)
- Czech Republic (not as strong as they could be)
- Colombia
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