The Democratic primaries are gonna be such a sh*tshow

[The_Texas_Libertarian]

Ah, must be nice to be a white straight man who isn't affected by the sh**t storm that is trump.  Must be nice to be so selfish and sad that you can't get everything you want so you just sit out.  Must be real nice to sit on your ass rather than do the bare minimum.

Goes for all those who rather see Trump elected than vote dem come 2018 and 2020.  

There it is.  The SJW attitude that led to my defection from the left.  Looks like the Dem base doesn't want me around either, lol

The more I talk to Democrats/liberals the more I realize that we're not on the same side. They may be better than Republicans, from my perspective, but we aren't friends. Socialists aren't simply "super duper liberals;" Socialism is fundamentally different and has an entirely distinct worldview from Liberalism. In fact, historically, Liberals and Socialists have been irreconcilable enemies in many situations. In Scandinavia, they occupy opposite sides of the political spectrum (yes, even the Social Liberals are more allied with right-liberals and Conservatives there).

Just curious: by socialist, do you mean advocating the seizure of the means of production and whatnot?

On this note, is UBI socialist?  Or is it simply a form of redistribution?

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Also, you guys are overestimating how many Progressives are willing to defect for a third party; 2016 proved that number is rather low. The bigger worry for Democrats should be turnout. Low turnout has always been associated with poorer Democratic performance. Based on how things are shaping up so far, I don't expect to vote in the 2020 GE.

This the dumbest thread I've ever seen. Shame on each and every one of you.

It's a preview of how the primary will go.

Agreed with these two sentiments. Watching the center hacks churn themselves back up into a lather (both here and in the press) over the past couple months has been amusing, not a little offensive, and deeply worrying. We're at about half of the vitriol we were at in like, April 2016, and this is *three years * before we'll have an actual field to deal with.  

*Devout Centrist reads a thread that is practically nothing but blazing hot takes*
Devout Centrist: Wow, this is a dum thread.
You and Timmy: *more scorching hot takes*

I mean look, the head of the top liberal think tank in the country is on twitter going on a crusade about the word 'corn cob,' what do you expect me to say? That the establishment is being entirely reasonable?

This thread is literally the first place I've ever seen this "corncob" thing and from reading it I'm still not entirely sure what it refers to, so I have a very difficult time believing that this is going to be the defining issue of 2020.

Also liberal think tanks != Democratic Party establishment.

What do *you * think the Democratic establishment is? Literally just party officials and electeds?

CAP fits in any reasonable definition of the Democratic establishment.

[JA]

Ah, must be nice to be a white straight man who isn't affected by the sh**t storm that is trump.  Must be nice to be so selfish and sad that you can't get everything you want so you just sit out.  Must be real nice to sit on your ass rather than do the bare minimum.

Goes for all those who rather see Trump elected than vote dem come 2018 and 2020.  

There it is.  The SJW attitude that led to my defection from the left.  Looks like the Dem base doesn't want me around either, lol

The more I talk to Democrats/liberals the more I realize that we're not on the same side. They may be better than Republicans, from my perspective, but we aren't friends. Socialists aren't simply "super duper liberals;" Socialism is fundamentally different and has an entirely distinct worldview from Liberalism. In fact, historically, Liberals and Socialists have been irreconcilable enemies in many situations. In Scandinavia, they occupy opposite sides of the political spectrum (yes, even the Social Liberals are more allied with right-liberals and Conservatives there).

Just curious: by socialist, do you mean advocating the seizure of the means of production and whatnot?

I hate simply reducing it to "seizing the means of production and what not," since that's just one aspect of it (and often advocated for by edgelords), but yes.

[MAINEiac4434]

Also, you guys are overestimating how many Progressives are willing to defect for a third party; 2016 proved that number is rather low. The bigger worry for Democrats should be turnout. Low turnout has always been associated with poorer Democratic performance. Based on how things are shaping up so far, I don't expect to vote in the 2020 GE.

This is it.

Democrats need to get people excited. Obama did that, Hillary did not. Bernie and Warren will definitely do that. Franken might.

It's about turnout.

Hillary's call centers never got the turnout Obama's did. No one was excited for her.

[JA]

Ah, must be nice to be a white straight man who isn't affected by the sh**t storm that is trump.  Must be nice to be so selfish and sad that you can't get everything you want so you just sit out.  Must be real nice to sit on your ass rather than do the bare minimum.

Goes for all those who rather see Trump elected than vote dem come 2018 and 2020.  

There it is.  The SJW attitude that led to my defection from the left.  Looks like the Dem base doesn't want me around either, lol

The more I talk to Democrats/liberals the more I realize that we're not on the same side. They may be better than Republicans, from my perspective, but we aren't friends. Socialists aren't simply "super duper liberals;" Socialism is fundamentally different and has an entirely distinct worldview from Liberalism. In fact, historically, Liberals and Socialists have been irreconcilable enemies in many situations. In Scandinavia, they occupy opposite sides of the political spectrum (yes, even the Social Liberals are more allied with right-liberals and Conservatives there).

Just curious: by socialist, do you mean advocating the seizure of the means of production and whatnot?

On this note, is UBI socialist?  Or is it simply a form of redistribution?

Simply a form of redistribution. Not to say that a Socialist wouldn't support it, since we do, especially within the context of capitalism, but it's not Socialism.

[Famous Mortimer]

There is no set official list of what is socialist and what is not socialist.

[PragmaticPopulist]

My guess is that primary voters will be looking for the antithesis of Trump, just like Trump was the antithesis of Obama. That probably means celebrities don't gain much traction if any run, and someone with prior government experience will come out of the primary. Someone who respects Democratic institutions and runs on bringing people together.

[Virginiá]

Based on how things are shaping up so far, I don't expect to vote in the 2020 GE.

Is there anyone currently speculated about right now that you would vote for?

[JA]

Based on how things are shaping up so far, I don't expect to vote in the 2020 GE.

Is there anyone currently speculated about right now that you would vote for?

He said he'd vote for Franken and Brown I know that (I'm gonna guess that includes Sanders and Warren).

^^ Yep. I didn't close the door on voting in 2020 (I certainly plan to vote in the primary), but I'm not going to vote for another liberal like Clinton. I sucked it up and took one for the team in 2016, despite very strongly disliking her, but not again. Brown, Franken, Sanders, and Warren are all good options; maybe someone else too, if their campaign persuades me. But I don't expect the party to pick anyone good, honestly.

[PragmaticPopulist]

Based on how things are shaping up so far, I don't expect to vote in the 2020 GE.

Is there anyone currently speculated about right now that you would vote for?

He said he'd vote for Franken and Brown I know that (I'm gonna guess that includes Sanders and Warren).

^^ Yep. I didn't close the door on voting in 2020 (I certainly plan to vote in the primary), but I'm not going to vote for another liberal like Clinton. I sucked it up and took one for the team in 2016, despite very strongly disliking her, but not again. Brown, Franken, Sanders, and Warren are all good options; maybe someone else too, if their campaign persuades me. But I don't expect the party to pick anyone good, honestly.

I can't imagine the party to do what they did in 2016 again during the primaries, and I find it unlikely that they'd nominate another candidate as weak as Clinton.

[Coraxion]

Based on how things are shaping up so far, I don't expect to vote in the 2020 GE.

Is there anyone currently speculated about right now that you would vote for?

He said he'd vote for Franken and Brown I know that (I'm gonna guess that includes Sanders and Warren).

^^ Yep. I didn't close the door on voting in 2020 (I certainly plan to vote in the primary), but I'm not going to vote for another liberal like Clinton. I sucked it up and took one for the team in 2016, despite very strongly disliking her, but not again. Brown, Franken, Sanders, and Warren are all good options; maybe someone else too, if their campaign persuades me. But I don't expect the party to pick anyone good, honestly.

I can't imagine the party to do what they did in 2016 again during the primaries, and I find it unlikely that they'd nominate another candidate as weak as Clinton.

What did they do? Nominate the candidate who got the most votes in the primary? What monsters.

[Mr. Smith]

Based on how things are shaping up so far, I don't expect to vote in the 2020 GE.

Is there anyone currently speculated about right now that you would vote for?

He said he'd vote for Franken and Brown I know that (I'm gonna guess that includes Sanders and Warren).

^^ Yep. I didn't close the door on voting in 2020 (I certainly plan to vote in the primary), but I'm not going to vote for another liberal like Clinton. I sucked it up and took one for the team in 2016, despite very strongly disliking her, but not again. Brown, Franken, Sanders, and Warren are all good options; maybe someone else too, if their campaign persuades me. But I don't expect the party to pick anyone good, honestly.

I can't imagine the party to do what they did in 2016 again during the primaries, and I find it unlikely that they'd nominate another candidate as weak as Clinton.

What did they do? Nominate the candidate who got the most votes in the primary? What monsters.

They cleared the field entirely so that someone with such baggage and such a big Achilles Heel would get nominated in the first place. Last time that happened, it was Al Gore Time, we see where THAT went.

[JA]

People forget the dirty tricks the corporate Democrats donors pull against those who dont heed the party establishment:



If Warren or Sanders run...the establishment Dems will do them in

The Democratic Establishment fears absolutely nothing like an end to their gravy train that comes from being allied with the financial and tech industries. It's all about the money. Look how they voted earlier this year to continue allowing wealthy and corporate donor cash to keep flowing into the party's coffers. That's all this is about for them. And those who challenge that are an even bigger threat than Republicans, which some Clinton campaign officials proceeded to work with once Trump was elected.

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People forget the dirty tricks the corporate Democrats donors pull against those who dont heed the party establishment:



If Warren or Sanders run...the establishment Dems will do them in

The Democratic Establishment fears absolutely nothing like an end to their gravy train that comes from being allied with the financial and tech industries. It's all about the money. Look how they voted earlier this year to continue allowing wealthy and corporate donor cash to keep flowing into the party's coffers. That's all this is about for them. And those who challenge that are an even bigger threat than Republicans, which some Clinton campaign officials proceeded to work with once Trump was elected.

Yes, it is clear that having the party get its butt kicked is a small price to pay for them retaining full control of the party. And the fact that they'll think they can easily win against Trump will only make the situation worst.

[Devils30]

It will be a very nasty 2020 primary but a needed nasty. The DC/Clinton insiders will call everyone a racist who doesn't love Booker, Cuomo and Harris but voters won't buy it this time.

If a progressive wins a plurality of delegates at around 40% but the party gives the nomination to someone else, all hell will break loose with the Bernie faction.

[Blair]

People forget the dirty tricks the corporate Democrats donors pull against those who dont heed the party establishment:



If Warren or Sanders run...the establishment Dems will do them in

I really don't think there's a link between 'being in the establishment' and being willing to play dirty; it's worth noting that Sanders towards the end of the race was actually much more willing to play dirty (she's not qualified remark in New York) and that his own band of supporters threw a lot of untrue crap against Hillary. Like most things in factional party struggles it's awful/unfair when you're opponent does it, but fine if you do.

I don't think that Warren or even Sanders would face some sort of 'establishment' plot; at best it would be a group of people doing oppo work and then funding it

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Wow this mess of bullsh!t predictions sure didn't age well.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Wow this mess of bullsh!t predictions sure didn't age well.

Agreed. I underestimated how much of a sh**tshow things have gotten.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Wow this mess of bullsh!t predictions sure didn't age well.

Agreed. I underestimated how much of a sh**tshow things have gotten.

Yeah especially with all those celebrities jumping in left and right.

Also:

I suspect Bernie and Warren won't run and the whole field will be corporate Democrats trying to out-SJW each other.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Wow this mess of bullsh!t predictions sure didn't age well.

Agreed. I underestimated how much of a sh**tshow things have gotten.

Yeah especially with all those celebrities jumping in left and right.

Swap the term “celebrity” with “irrelevant losers like Yang/Buttigieg/Gabbard” and my entire paragraph is correct:

Progressives will lash out against half the candidates. A bunch of idiot celebrities will jump into the race thinking they can win. The media circus will encourage this as there will likely be no Republican equivalent sh*tshow going on in 2020.

It's gonna be like 2016 except the divisions within the Democratic Party will likely not have healed and they'll be at each other's throats Trump 2016 style. It's gonna be really, really ugly and nasty. Think Real Housewives of Atlanta but the people involved will be even more narcissistic and melodramatic in their desire to reach the highest office in the land.

And until Bill Weld can drop Trump’s approvals among the GOP below 80%, he doesn’t count lol.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Wow this mess of bullsh!t predictions sure didn't age well.

Agreed. I underestimated how much of a sh**tshow things have gotten.

Yeah especially with all those celebrities jumping in left and right.

Swap the term “celebrity” with “irrelevant losers like Yang/Buttigieg/Gabbard” and my entire paragraph is correct:

Exactly.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

None of the predictions in this stupid dumb f[inks]ing bullsh!t thread were true.