Why did left-leaning journalists/pundits favor hillary so much over bernie?
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« on: August 05, 2017, 04:54:40 PM »

Whether it be Nate COhn, harry enten, nate silver, the wapo, nyt, or most journalists and writers for those papers, you could always tell they were distrustful at best, and openly hostile at worst, of bernie during the primary.

My question is why? Journalism, at least in the past, has always aligned itself with muckraking and exposing the corruption of those in power.

Bernie seemed like a good compliment to such sentiments.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2017, 05:49:57 PM »

They didnt.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2017, 08:47:04 PM »

Whether it be Nate COhn, harry enten, nate silver, the wapo, nyt, or most journalists and writers for those papers, you could always tell they were distrustful at best, and openly hostile at worst, of bernie during the primary.

My question is why? Journalism, at least in the past, has always aligned itself with muckraking and exposing the corruption of those in power.

Bernie seemed like a good compliment to such sentiments.
In what sense?
In the sense that they thought he probably wouldn't win? In the sense that they thought his campaign was low on substance? Or in the sense of mythical media bias?
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2017, 08:55:38 PM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2017, 09:01:42 PM »

Cohn, Enten, and Silver went from being outsiders to insiders during the Obama era, their politics are basically Obama politics. Bernie's substance on economics didn't appeal to people like that. Remember, some Obama advisers even came out and said Bernie's single payer plan didn't add up and assumed a high rate of economic growth that was unrealistic. The WaPo and NYT were very hostile to Hillary, they even signed an exclusive deal with the author of "Clinton Cash" to smear her, while they just ignored Bernie or didn't take him seriously. But it's true, in retrospect, his chances of winning were always low.
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2017, 02:49:25 PM »

Because they liked Obama too much. Hillary wanted to be Part III.

Same reason right-wing moguls went to Bush Sr instead of Bob Dole in 1988, or why Ford got the nod instead of Reagan in '76.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2017, 09:52:05 PM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 09:54:47 PM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.

It's a fact that Hillary ran a very vapid campaign.

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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2017, 03:29:04 PM »

Silver and Cohn were warning that Trump could win. FiveThirtyEight gave Trump a 25-30% shot, a roughly -5 favorite in an NFL game for example.
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 04:15:10 PM »

Silver and Cohn were warning that Trump could win. FiveThirtyEight gave Trump a 25-30% shot, a roughly -5 favorite in an NFL game for example.
Well haven't been talking about Trump whatsoever.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2017, 05:20:00 PM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.

It's a fact that Hillary ran a very vapid campaign.


Bernie's main policy proposal was a 4 page bill. Clinton had a double digit number of white papers on her website longer than that.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2017, 07:02:35 PM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.

It's a fact that Hillary ran a very vapid campaign.


Bernie's main policy proposal was a 4 page bill. Clinton had a double digit number of white papers on her website longer than that.

Ah, but Bernie mentioned that stuff more. Hillary did not. Doesn't matter whose website is better stocked, 'cuz nobody got time for that.
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2017, 03:19:39 PM »

Media figures tend to be in the elite, wealthy class that Sanders spends so much talking about, or at least are close to those who are.


For example for all of the "ideological diversity" the New York Times claims to celebrate through it's op-ed columnists, there is not columnist who voted for Sanders (Or Trump, for that matter).
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2017, 10:04:26 PM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.

It's a fact that Hillary ran a very vapid campaign.


Bernie's main policy proposal was a 4 page bill. Clinton had a double digit number of white papers on her website longer than that.

Ah, but Bernie mentioned that stuff more. Hillary did not. Doesn't matter whose website is better stocked, 'cuz nobody got time for that.

It doesn't matter how many words you have. Quality over quantity.  You can have a 500 page proposal, but it means nothing if it's 75% fuzzy language.

Also, I like how you imply that Sanders supporters are dumb idiots.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2017, 10:15:07 PM »

Not out of opposition to his policies, but because of his wing of the party's anti-intellectualism.
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2017, 10:25:07 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2017, 10:29:00 PM by Shadows »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.

It's a fact that Hillary ran a very vapid campaign.


Bernie's main policy proposal was a 4 page bill. Clinton had a double digit number of white papers on her website longer than that.

That is again completely incorrect. Why don't you go & read Bernie's platform & policy? Most of his policy had obscure details including CBO, Congressional Research office findings, links to studies & minute details of policy.

Go & study the Democratic Presidential candidates in the last 30-40 years & compared their policies to Bernie. Probably no1 had a stand as detailed as Bernie. Hillary on the other wanted to expand Social Security but didn't say how. Bernie said be abolishing the cap on taxable income.

Go through each policy one by one & compare the two. It is light & day. Hillary's platform & policies were no1 near as detailed as that of Bernie.

Not out of opposition to his policies, but because of his wing of the party's anti-intellectualism.

That is probably not true given Bernie had a huge wave of support from intellectual people, even more than Hillary. Anti-Intellectualism & anti-elitism/anti-corporatism aren't the same thing.

Stiglitz is a Nobel Laureate in Economics, Piketty is a world renowned French economist, Chomsky is a veteran highly acclaimed sort of legendary guy. And I could go on, Jeffery Sachs & range of people. A large share of Bernie's voters were college educated youth.

If you compare the share of voters of Hillary vs Bernie - Bernie's voters were quite educated & intellectual.
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2017, 10:39:33 PM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.

It's a fact that Hillary ran a very vapid campaign.


Bernie's main policy proposal was a 4 page bill. Clinton had a double digit number of white papers on her website longer than that.

Ah, but Bernie mentioned that stuff more. Hillary did not. Doesn't matter whose website is better stocked, 'cuz nobody got time for that.

It doesn't matter how many words you have. Quality over quantity.  You can have a 500 page proposal, but it means nothing if it's 75% fuzzy language.

Also, I like how you imply that Sanders supporters are dumb idiots.

Quality doesn't matter if it's invisible compared to the quantity and exposure. And anyway, who seriously checks websites? Most people don't care to go that far, there are simply other things that have to be done in day and ya' know what, most people see politics as a chore.

Oh, and "like" away, it's your inference, since I implied nothing of the sort.

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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2017, 01:31:22 PM »

Not out of opposition to his policies, but because of his wing of the party's anti-intellectualism.

Interesting that anti-intellectualism is a turn-off to one of the dumbest posters on the forum 🤔
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2017, 02:35:32 PM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.

It's a fact that Hillary ran a very vapid campaign.


Bernie's main policy proposal was a 4 page bill. Clinton had a double digit number of white papers on her website longer than that.
Too bad she didn't put them in her ads.
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2017, 02:42:48 PM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.

It's a fact that Hillary ran a very vapid campaign.


Bernie's main policy proposal was a 4 page bill. Clinton had a double digit number of white papers on her website longer than that.
Too bad she didn't put them in her ads.

Exactly, glad someone gets it.
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2017, 02:52:00 PM »

Not out of opposition to his policies, but because of his wing of the party's anti-intellectualism.

Interesting that anti-intellectualism is a turn-off to one of the dumbest posters on the forum 🤔
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2017, 05:05:29 PM »

Not out of opposition to his policies, but because of his wing of the party's anti-intellectualism.
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2017, 03:04:55 PM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.

It's a fact that Hillary ran a very vapid campaign.


Bernie's main policy proposal was a 4 page bill. Clinton had a double digit number of white papers on her website longer than that.

That is again completely incorrect. Why don't you go & read Bernie's platform & policy? Most of his policy had obscure details including CBO, Congressional Research office findings, links to studies & minute details of policy.

Go & study the Democratic Presidential candidates in the last 30-40 years & compared their policies to Bernie. Probably no1 had a stand as detailed as Bernie. Hillary on the other wanted to expand Social Security but didn't say how. Bernie said be abolishing the cap on taxable income.

Go through each policy one by one & compare the two. It is light & day. Hillary's platform & policies were no1 near as detailed as that of Bernie.

Not out of opposition to his policies, but because of his wing of the party's anti-intellectualism.

That is probably not true given Bernie had a huge wave of support from intellectual people, even more than Hillary. Anti-Intellectualism & anti-elitism/anti-corporatism aren't the same thing.

Stiglitz is a Nobel Laureate in Economics, Piketty is a world renowned French economist, Chomsky is a veteran highly acclaimed sort of legendary guy. And I could go on, Jeffery Sachs & range of people. A large share of Bernie's voters were college educated youth.

If you compare the share of voters of Hillary vs Bernie - Bernie's voters were quite educated & intellectual.
Bernie Sanders "Break Up the big Banks bill" was shorter than your comment.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2017, 03:27:33 AM »

Bernie Sanders ran a primary campaign EONS ahead of hillary when it came to substance.
Ha.

It's a fact that Hillary ran a very vapid campaign.


Bernie's main policy proposal was a 4 page bill. Clinton had a double digit number of white papers on her website longer than that.

Hillary was no policy wonk. She wanted to backdoor all the encryption, deport child refugees because they were treated poorly, and a no fly zone where Russian planes were flying.
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