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Question: ... will Donald Trump go to hell or to heaven?
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Anzeigenhauptmeister
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« on: August 06, 2017, 02:46:01 AM »
What are the arguments for either thesis?
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2017, 05:13:48 PM »
Literally only God knows.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2017, 06:15:24 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2017, 02:41:47 AM »
Heaven and Hell aren't real. But, for the sake of argument, supposing that they are, then...
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2017, 05:58:23 PM »
Man is not God. None of us know. Why do this poll?
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2017, 03:34:32 PM »
Quote from: Silent Cal on August 08, 2017, 05:58:23 PM
Man is not God. None of us know. Why do this poll?

Because I want to know if Trump is a "good" man in the religious sense.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2017, 03:09:18 PM »
Quote from: Ἅιδης on August 09, 2017, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: Silent Cal on August 08, 2017, 05:58:23 PM
Man is not God. None of us know. Why do this poll?

Because I want to know if Trump is a "good" man in the religious sense.
Without meeting the man, no one can discern this. In addition, no human has the authority or ability to determine whether someone wil go to heaven or hell. From the pauper to the pope, we are all sinners and we are all flawed.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2017, 05:06:03 PM »
« Edited: August 15, 2017, 05:07:36 PM by RFayette »
Quote from: Silent Cal on August 12, 2017, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: Ἅιδης on August 09, 2017, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: Silent Cal on August 08, 2017, 05:58:23 PM
Man is not God. None of us know. Why do this poll?

Because I want to know if Trump is a "good" man in the religious sense.
Without meeting the man, no one can discern this. In addition, no human has the authority or ability to determine whether someone wil go to heaven or hell. From the pauper to the pope, we are all sinners and we are all flawed.

More importantly, there is no one who is good but God - truth be told, if we are judged on the basis of our own works, we'd all deserve to go to hell.  You go to heaven if you are judged instead based instead on Jesus's perfect work on the cross, which means that his righteousness is imputed unto you by grace through faith.  So the real question is whether or not Trump has put his full trust in Jesus Christ for salvation, and only God knows his heart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrLzYw6ULYw

(This is one of my favorite Christian videos, as it shows that our standards for good and bad are so different than God's, and that the only way to heaven is to have a substitute take the punishment in your place).
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2017, 07:51:51 AM »
Hell. He is a very bad person.

Hell is for people who because of their perversity would never fit into Heaven.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2017, 07:54:39 AM »
He would have a lot to change about his life to make his way to Heaven, but I guess we can't rule anyone out.
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2017, 08:44:47 AM »
Don't know. But I'm not God
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2017, 10:16:03 PM »
It's probably more important for people to ask where they're going when they die, instead of worrying about someone else.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2017, 08:39:43 PM »
Impossible and ridiculous question to ask.
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2017, 01:50:52 AM »
I'd like to know from the "only God knows" people...

If we have no basis to judge whether we are going to Heaven or Hell, then how do we know what to do in order to go to Heaven? What I mean is essentially, if a Christian's motivation for being a good person is to get into Heaven and avoid Hell, then how does that jive with the notion that we can never know for sure whether what we're doing will take us to one place or another?
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2017, 05:43:43 PM »
Quote from: m&m on August 30, 2017, 01:50:52 AM
I'd like to know from the "only God knows" people...

If we have no basis to judge whether we are going to Heaven or Hell, then how do we know what to do in order to go to Heaven? What I mean is essentially, if a Christian's motivation for being a good person is to get into Heaven and avoid Hell, then how does that jive with the notion that we can never know for sure whether what we're doing will take us to one place or another?

Umm.. it's stated pretty clearly in the Bible.
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