CNN: 26 Million Reasons Why Pelosi Isn't Going Anywhere

[Phony Moderate]

Democrats could install David Duke as minority leader and it still wouldn't make the white working class vote flip.

Exactly. Good choice on emphasizing those voters' racism too (David Duke). Here come the Republican and Bernie bro tears.

Of course, it's all about identity for them and nothing else.

Nope. Those people in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania voted for Trump be ause he was at least hitting populist talking points on trade. To call everyone who voted for Trump an angrywhite man is the type of SJW politics that Hillary ran and lost her campaign on. Run with that idea in 2020, and Democrats will lose badly.

Besides, many voters in those industrial states are two time Obama voters, so don't give me the angry white man stereotype, otherwise those industrial states will vote GOP for a long time to come, because they despise the identity politics Hillary ran on. "Vote for me because I'm a woman" was not a compelling argument, despite what you think.

As for Pelosi, she needs to go, now. Put up Tim Ryan, now. Bernie proved that you don't need to raise from bankers and corporations to run a strong campaign that by all rights, should've gone nowhere. That's the part people forget when talking about her fundraising abilities. That doesn't mean jack if it's raised from Wall Streeters and corporations.

For crap's sake, another diatribe about identity politics. You can't act like Trump didn't play identity politics with all his railing about immigration and calling immigrants rapists. But all of that is a moot point. Pelosi isn't going anywhere, so just get over it.

Worth noting that Trump only got a couple of million more votes than Romney nationally, and less than 200,000 more in both Ohio and Michigan. Given population growth, the higher overall number of votes cast etc then it wasn't really a great advance for the GOP. It was more down to the Democrats' lack of compelling message. I suspect that, for the most part, Trump's identity politics appealed most to people who have loyally voted GOP for a good two decades.

[Phony Moderate]

Democrats could install David Duke as minority leader and it still wouldn't make the white working class vote flip.

Exactly. Good choice on emphasizing those voters' racism too (David Duke). Here come the Republican and Bernie bro tears.

Of course, it's all about identity for them and nothing else.

Nope. Those people in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania voted for Trump be ause he was at least hitting populist talking points on trade. To call everyone who voted for Trump an angrywhite man is the type of SJW politics that Hillary ran and lost her campaign on. Run with that idea in 2020, and Democrats will lose badly.

Besides, many voters in those industrial states are two time Obama voters, so don't give me the angry white man stereotype, otherwise those industrial states will vote GOP for a long time to come, because they despise the identity politics Hillary ran on. "Vote for me because I'm a woman" was not a compelling argument, despite what you think.

As for Pelosi, she needs to go, now. Put up Tim Ryan, now. Bernie proved that you don't need to raise from bankers and corporations to run a strong campaign that by all rights, should've gone nowhere. That's the part people forget when talking about her fundraising abilities. That doesn't mean jack if it's raised from Wall Streeters and corporations.

For crap's sake, another diatribe about identity politics. You can't act like Trump didn't play identity politics with all his railing about immigration and calling immigrants rapists. But all of that is a moot point. Pelosi isn't going anywhere, so just get over it.

Worth noting that Trump only got a couple of million more votes than Romney nationally, and less than 200,000 more in both Ohio and Michigan. Given population growth, the higher overall number of votes cast etc then it wasn't really a great advance for the GOP. It was more down to the Democrats' lack of compelling message. I suspect that, for the most part, Trump's identity politics appealed most to people who have loyally voted GOP for a good two decades.

A very large portion of the "missing votes" for the Democrats were black voters. I suppose Bernie Sanders, who got creamed with black voters in the primaries, would have somehow energized them to come out and vote for him.

Well I didn't mention Bernie (although isn't this one of the problems with 'debating' American politics; if you're not a Hillarycrat, you must be a Berniecrat, if you're not a Democrat, you must be a Republican, if you're not a Trumplican, you must be a McCain/Collins/Murkowski cuckservative), but given that John Kerry was able to enthuse people in the Midwest better than Hillary, it's not beyond the pale that Bernie Sanders could have won 50-100,000 extra votes in the combination of WI, PA and MI to clinch the electoral victory. Then again, John Kerry running in 2016 could have done so too.