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Question: Would you abandon your party (or join, in the case of independents) for a successful centrist third party?
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« on: August 09, 2017, 05:51:45 PM »
« edited: August 09, 2017, 06:05:48 PM by The Saint »

I think I would. I'd most likely be on the center-right wing of the party, so I'd have to see if such a party would fit.

EDIT: Assume it is something like the FDP or LREM: socially liberal, economically conservative
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2017, 05:57:44 PM »

It depends on how "centrist" is defined. A centrist like Jim Webb? Sure. A "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" type centrist? No.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2017, 06:05:16 PM »

It depends on how "centrist" is defined. A centrist like Jim Webb? Sure. A "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" type centrist? No.
I'd say the second in this case.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2017, 06:21:19 PM »

Of course not.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2017, 06:29:39 PM »

Yes, if that party resembled a JFK style form of Liberalism or an Eisenhower/Nelson Rockefeller style of conservatism. Any moderate party must be okay with the New Deal and Great Society programs remaining intact.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2017, 09:25:43 PM »

Of course, this depends on what we define as a centrist party, but I'd consider it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 02:13:11 AM »

If a centrist party is going to be based around Jim Webb, and chooses to die on the hill of 'the confederate flag was okay' then it will fail.

I mean at the current rate all the party would be is some pissed of denorcactic southerners, neocons like Bill Kristol and moderates like Susan Collins.

Have fun with that.
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2017, 03:42:54 PM »

No, as long as my party goes not heavily left. I still consider myself "center-left" and therefore a pragmatic Democrat or pragmatic Social Democrat (Germany). If there was only a centrist socially liberal and fiscally moderate/conservative party and a left-wing/socialist party, then I'd chose the centrist party.

It really depends. I prefer LREM over the PS in France for example and the Lib Dems over the Corbyn-wing of Labour, but not over the Blair-wing. In the US, I would not abandon the Democrats as long as they are in the tradition of Barack Obama with a streak of fiscal moderation (Jerry Brown).
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2017, 04:32:56 PM »

Yes if it means Centrists like Kasich , Romeny , McCain and not the European definition of "Centrist"
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2017, 04:52:28 PM »

Of course.  I vote for the person, not the party....like god and Washington intended.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2017, 05:02:47 PM »

I'm too much of a partisan hack to abandon the Democratic party, but if it's a centrist party like En Marche ! I would consider voting for them.

I'd probably vote for a Kasich/Hickenlooper or Hickenlooper/Kasich centrist ticket if I don't like the Dem nominee.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2017, 08:03:31 PM »

lol
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2017, 08:29:53 PM »

I would actively campaign against it. I might even spend more of my time fighting it than the Republicans.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2017, 08:33:02 PM »

I would actively campaign against it. I might even spend more of my time fighting it than the Republicans.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2017, 08:52:44 PM »

Of course I would join it, but the party has got to be advocates for judicial objectivity, and must not get that concept confused with being "moderate." I would, if necessary, make every effort to educate the members of the party about what the judiciary needs.

It depends on how "centrist" is defined. A centrist like Jim Webb? Sure. A "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" type centrist? No.
I'd say the second in this case.

But we've already got a political party like that: Libertarians.
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2017, 08:54:00 PM »

But we've already got a political party like that: Libertarians.
Two crazies don't make a center.
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2017, 08:57:32 PM »

Of course I would join it, but the party has got to be advocates for judicial objectivity, and must not get that concept confused with being "moderate." I would, if necessary, make every effort to educate the members of the party about what the judiciary needs.

It depends on how "centrist" is defined. A centrist like Jim Webb? Sure. A "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" type centrist? No.
I'd say the second in this case.

But we've already got a political party like that: Libertarians.
Think about it as being more in the sense of the FDP in Germany: not as vigorously anti-government.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2017, 08:59:59 PM »

But we've already got a political party like that: Libertarians.
Two crazies don't make a center.
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2017, 09:51:34 PM »

Yes if it means Centrists like Kasich , Romeny , McCain and not the European definition of "Centrist"
You do understand that the main difference between Romney and the FDP is... Almost nothing, going by his 1994 campaign and his tenure as Governor.
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2017, 02:46:07 AM »

Yes, if that party resembled a JFK style form of Liberalism or an Eisenhower/Nelson Rockefeller style of conservatism. Any moderate party must be okay with the New Deal and Great Society programs remaining intact.

Really? I thought those programs would've been Communist programs.
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2017, 06:20:54 AM »

Of course I would.  I think an independent President would be better than a Democrat or a Republican.  The nation's too polarized- an independent, non-partisan President with an administration made up of good people from all parties coming together and working with Congress to produce real results would be a step in the right direction.  It wouldn't be perfect, but it'd be more productive than the hyper-partisan wars.
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2017, 06:25:03 AM »

Probably. I'll stick to supporting right-wing parties in Europe but the GOP has become an absolute monster.
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2017, 04:23:36 AM »

No, as long as my party goes not heavily left. I still consider myself "center-left" and therefore a pragmatic Democrat or pragmatic Social Democrat (Germany). If there was only a centrist socially liberal and fiscally moderate/conservative party and a left-wing/socialist party, then I'd chose the centrist party.

If this is true, then you're certainly not left-of-center by any reasonable definition.

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Where to even begin with this one?

1. The PS isn't even a thing in 2017, and, during the Hollande years, it certainly wasn't meaningfully to the left of LREM.
2. There's no such thing as the "Blair-wing" of the Labour Party, dude. Again, 2017, etc.
3. The last sentence doesn't even make sense. What was the purpose of adding "(Jerry Brown)" at the end there?

So, Gerhard Schröder and Helmut Schmidt are not center-left in European terms?

1. The PS still exists but shifted to the left in the post-Hollande era, starting by the nomination of Benoit Hamon over Manuel Valls (was my first choice for president; he now switched to REM).
2. Then call it New Labour. I liked the third-way approach by Tony Blair in the UK and Gerhard Schröder in Germany. New Labour is still a force in the UK Labour Party. Especially many PMs are not that happy with Corbyn.
3. Jerry Brown is a center-left politican with a streak of fiscal conservatism. He increased taxes on upper incomes and cut spending at the same time in California. He really did a great job as governor (both times). I always liked his approach to bring the state back on the right track.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2017, 05:36:06 AM »

DOnt you support Scott Walker, Johnson?
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2017, 06:37:43 AM »

DOnt you support Scott Walker, Johnson?

LOL, of course not. And never have been supportive of this guy. But I somewhat like Bruce Rauner, though I'm probably in favor of the Democrat next year.
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