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Question: Would you abandon your party (or join, in the case of independents) for a successful centrist third party?
#1
Yes (R)
 
#2
Yes (D)
 
#3
Yes (I)
 
#4
Yes (O)
 
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No (R)
 
#6
No (D)
 
#7
No (I)
 
#8
No (O)
 
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2017, 07:43:54 AM »

New Labour hasn't really been a thing since 2010; and the influence of Blairism on the Labour party is almost non-existent at this point - Miliband already shifted the party quite far to the left, and certainly there was no appetite amongst Labour supporters to shift back again.  The factional divides within Labour have very little to do with policy - the manifesto they stood on this year was supported by every part of the party, and incidentally was very popular especially compared to the Conservative one, which likely cost them their majority.

Also I wouldn't say that "many" MPs oppose Corbyn at this point - most of the policy-based Corbyn critics stood down in the 2017 election (admittedly a fair few only did so because they were worried about losing their seats and in most cases their replacements, eh, ended up increasing the Labour majority) and the ones that don't were more the sort who opposed Corbyn on an electability basis, and the election results changed a lot of minds in that regard. 

Its a fact that "centrist" parties don't work in most cases - not because people don't see themselves as centrist but because if you ask ten different people what "centrist" meant you'd get ten different answers, from people who see the Democrats are being too far right to those who see the Republicans are too far left.  Its not even a vaguely coherent ideology like conservatism or socialism are; its just a buzzword that's been used by politicians from all over the spectrum to describe very different things.  There's also the fact that often those who publically call for the need for a "new centre party" or whatever are often the worst kind of smug people who're often more alienating to voters than people they are seen as extreme - incidentally, the latter are often perceived as being "centrist" by those that  vote for them - that's the only way that a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party could get 41% of the vote, for example.
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2017, 10:13:07 AM »

Its a fact that "centrist" parties don't work in most cases - not because people don't see themselves as centrist but because if you ask ten different people what "centrist" meant you'd get ten different answers, from people who see the Democrats are being too far right to those who see the Republicans are too far left.  Its not even a vaguely coherent ideology like conservatism or socialism are; its just a buzzword that's been used by politicians from all over the spectrum to describe very different things.  There's also the fact that often those who publically call for the need for a "new centre party" or whatever are often the worst kind of smug people who're often more alienating to voters than people they are seen as extreme - incidentally, the latter are often perceived as being "centrist" by those that  vote for them - that's the only way that a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party could get 41% of the vote, for example.

That's true
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2017, 10:17:30 AM »

Where is the devout one when you need him?
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