You could eliminate CA, TX, FL, PA, OH and Trump would win the PV

[super6646]

Now I'm sure we've all heard the argument that if you removed California from the country, Trump would win the PV. But I decided to go a little further, and see if Trump could still eek out a victory if we removed Texas and Florida. As it turns out, he would! Then, I decided to see how many of the biggest states Trump won that I would have to take out before Clinton would win. Well, lets get going.

Hillary Clinton PV: 65,853,652

Donald Trump PV: 62,985,134
   
Hillary Clinton votes in California: 8,753,792

Donald Trump votes in California: 4,483,814

= 57,088,860 votes for Clinton

=  58,501,320 votes for Trump

So as you can see, he wins by 1.4 million votes if we take out California, but lets keep going.

Votes Trump got in Texas: 4,685,047   

Votes Clinton got in Texas: 3,877,866

= 53,816,273 votes for Trump

= 53,210,994 votes for Clinton

Lets keep going...

Votes trump got in Florida: 4,617,886   

Votes Clinton got in Florida: 4,504,975

= 49,198,387 votes for Trump

= 48,706,019 votes for Clinton

Now onto PA:

Votes for Trump: 2,970,733

Votes for Clinton: 2,926,441

= 46,227,614 votes for Trump

= 45,779,578 votes for Clinton

Finally, OH:

Votes for Trump: 2,841,006   

Votes for Clinton: 2,394,169

= 43,386,608 for Trump

= 43,385,409 for Clinton

From there, removing Michigan would give Clinton a slight win.

So that shows you the magnitude that one state has on Clinton winning the PV. If we take out four of the largest states Trump wins, he would still win the PV if just California was taken out. Pretty astounding in my opinion.

[super6646]

Yeah, and if I take the word "fried" out of fried food, it just becomes food, what is your point?

Its just interesting how one state's margin allowed Hillary to win the popular vote. It puts things in perspective, thats all.

[super6646]

Yeah, and if you take out just India and China, the world today has fewer people today than it did (with both countries) in 1990. Yes, California is "just one state." One state with the sixth largest economy in the world. It's over 12% of the US population, and more populous than Canada. It's a damned important state. These "BUT WITHOUT CALIFORNIA!!!!" threads are silly, since the US would be a completely different country without California, in the same way that the world would be a very different place if we "eliminated" China.

Like I said, it puts things into perspective. I'm not denying Clinton won the PV, or that we shouldn't count California. Its just interesting to look into.

[super6646]

It doesn't put anything into perspective. More Americans voted for Hillary. Next subject.

Then why bother commenting? Don't see why people have to put a negative spin on things...

[super6646]

It doesn't put anything into perspective. More Americans voted for Hillary. Next subject.

Then why bother commenting? Don't see why people have to put a negative spin on things...

I wanted to make it known that it was asinine to eliminate the votes of millions of people to make some sort of point that "Trump won real Americans". Trump won the EC so not sure why some are still so stuck on this. You won. More people got out of their beds to vote for Hillary Clinton. I know that's hard to grasp but that's what happened.

We all know she won the PV. This is just a hypothetical to show how many states Trump could lose if Clinton lost California that he could hold onto a PV victory. It was something interesting to look into, thats all.

[super6646]

Yeah, and if I take the word "fried" out of fried food, it just becomes food, what is your point?

Its just interesting how one state's margin allowed Hillary to win the popular vote. It puts things in perspective, thats all.

The perspective that we should just ignore California's opinion? Because... they're liberals?

Oh dear god...

[super6646]

You had to eliminate huge parts of the country to do that, which says quite a lot about Trump. With that said, Democrats really need to push the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact if they win control of more statehouses next year.

Umm... 4 of the 5 states were Trump states. I eliminated those states to see if Trump could win the PV without them.