Torch-bearing white nationalists march ahead of alt-right rally(Charlottesville)

[Middle-aged Europe]

I just watched Trump's statement and it almost sounded like something Alec Baldwin would say on SNL.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Here's a good point regarding Trump's statement from a well-known conservative:

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[publicunofficial]

I wish there were an amendment that allowed Congress to ban open participation in any sort of left or right-wing radical group that incites and/or practices violence.

Oh yeah the government would never abuse that power.

[ProudModerate2]

Here's a good point regarding Trump's statement from a well-known conservative:

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[Mike Thick]

I wish there were an amendment that allowed Congress to ban open participation in any sort of left or right-wing radical group that incites and/or practices violence.

Oh yeah the government would never abuse that power.

Yeah. WADR the road to hell is paved with good intentions

[ProudModerate2]

OMG.
If you thought this couldn't get any worse for trump, check-out these tweets from KKK leader David Duke to donald trump.
Yes .... David Duke is pissed at trump for condemning the violence at this white nationalist rally.
Keep up the great work David Duke .... keep talking about trump. Everyone is making the connection between you two.
LOL.

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[Yank2133]

Let me try to add original commentary.

Essentially Trump failed today.

His “many sides” quote was a dog whistle to the alt right and white nationalists. They knew he had to condemn them; they also wanted him to condemn their enemies. So Trump delivered. Note he hasn't commented on the car attack yet. That's deliberate. A fifth of his vote or more came from people who voted on a cultural / racial basis. He's beholden to them because the rest of the country dislikes him. There's a reason Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) called him out on it in Twitter. Notice Rubio, Portman, and others specifically used the terms “white nationalism” or a variation on this.

Doubt these people were Trump voters? Look up “blood and soil“ and ask who they voted for. Look up the pictures of those with MAGA hats and who cheered on Trump. There's a wealth of data for anyone willing to look at it. No the DSA is nowhere as powerful, lol. The Left has been underpowered here but we're not playing that game. This rally wasn't about reparations, wasn't about any of that. It was a white power rally that was intended to signal as such. That's very specifically what the President didn't want to single out and talk about.

In realignment terms however this isn't a good day for the GOP. They needed to denounce this in a much stronger voice and be a lot less unequivocal about who was to blame. They probably pushed some minorities and white voters further away from the GOP and toward the Democratic Party. As I've long noted 90% of the voting Republican coalition is white while 55% of the Democratic coalition is. The GOP's long reliance on the Southern Strategy is coming home to roost. (And has in a way since 2000)

This.

The President has failed to act take a strong moral stand on this matter as would be expected from a leader. He demonstrates no reason for confidence that he will be able to act as a competent leader to look to during a crisis.

Yup.

This was Trump's first real crisis that he didn't create and he failed miserably.

Honestly, this could be a waterloo moment for him. His statement was beyond weak and is at odds with what many in his party are saying. This isn't like the Russia/Putin stuff where you can play it off as partisan politics. This was a clear black/white situation and a normal/competent president would condemn these people swiftly and harshly and he chose not too.

No presidential leadership at all and people are going to remember.

[Lord Admirale]

This thread is almost as much as a cluster as the actual protests

[GeorgiaModerate]

The driver has been identified:

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[Yank2133]

Second degree murder.

Son of bitch got off the hook. This is VA, we give people the chair!

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Second degree murder.

Son of bitch got off the hook. This is VA, we give people the chair!

He ought to face terror charges. So should've Dylan Roof.

[Yank2133]

Second degree murder.

Son of bitch got off the hook. This is VA, we give people the chair!

He ought to face terror charges. So should've Dylan Roof.

Agreed.

This was clearly domestic terrorism.

[ProudModerate2]

The driver has been identified:

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In this same article it says ...

"Asked by a reporter in New Jersey whether he wanted the support of white nationalists, Trump did not respond."

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Today eerily reminds me of the Greensboro massacre.

[ProudModerate2]

Now you are just trolling.
Enough already. You already gave us this same nonsense hours ago.
Atlas : Don't respond. He is just looking for another hard-on since his Viagra ran out. We already went a full-round with his comment.

[Middle-aged Europe]

And one more for my ignore list...

[Mike Thick]

Are they supposed to give up their right to free speech because somebody might kill them?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Piss off.

[Deblano]

This thread is almost as much as a cluster as the actual protests

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Second degree murder.

Son of bitch got off the hook. This is VA, we give people the chair!

He ought to face terror charges. So should've Dylan Roof.

Seeing as how Dylann Roof was sentenced to death on federal charges and life with no parole on state charges what would've been the point on piling on any more charges against him?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

But yeah, this guy is getting off easy. Although if another two people died that'll probably be enough charges to lock him up for life. I just looked it up. In Virginia you can get up to 40 years for second degree murder.

[7,052,770]

So were the Reddit sleuthers right?

[Dr. Arch]

So, I guess that, now that we're nearly 20 pages in, I can say that this event probably secured a D hold on Virginia's governorship this year?

[Yank2133]

So, I guess that, now that we're nearly 20 pages in, I can say that this event probably secured a D hold on Virginia's governorship this year?

Northam was likely going to win regardless. But this moves his chances from 80% to 90%. The real question is how Gillespie handles this. He needs the type of voters who support the alt-right to come out in November. But by doing so he alienates the college towns and NOVA.

[TheSaint250]

So, I guess that, now that we're nearly 20 pages in, I can say that this event probably secured a D hold on Virginia's governorship this year?

Not at all. This was not a Republican-affiliated event, just some racist nut jobs.  The race is still in play even if Northam has the lead.