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« on: August 12, 2017, 09:54:07 AM »

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/this-is-why-european-diplomats-think-donald-trump-is

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When people keep saying things like this, it gets harder and harder to believe that Trump's chief reason for running in 2016 wasn't Obama briefly roasting him at the correspondents dinner.

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2017, 10:02:15 AM »

He only ran for President because of Obama, so it's no surprise. For some reason, (and it's not race) he has a unique level of disdain for Obama.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2017, 10:04:26 AM »
« Edited: August 12, 2017, 10:09:19 AM by Daniel909012 »

You should create a mega thread of what other people think about trump and there will not be so many useless threads.

https://www.infowars.com/eu-diplomat-my-government-believes-obama-is-quite-mentally-unwell/
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2017, 10:10:54 AM »

He only ran for President because of Obama, so it's no surprise. For some reason, (and it's not race) he has a unique level of disdain for Obama.
Right it's not race related and his housing discrimination cases or his hard on for the Central Park Five are just coincidences
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2017, 10:11:02 AM »

You should create a mega thread of what other people think about trump and there will not be so many useless threads.

https://www.infowars.com/eu-diplomat-my-government-believes-obama-is-quite-mentally-unwell/

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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2017, 10:14:42 AM »

He only ran for President because of Obama, so it's no surprise. For some reason, (and it's not race) he has a unique level of disdain for Obama.
Right it's not race related and his housing discrimination cases or his hard on for the Central Park Five are just coincidences
Obama is an individual. There is something other than race that motivates Trump's obsession with him.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2017, 10:23:39 AM »

He only ran for President because of Obama, so it's no surprise. For some reason, (and it's not race) he has a unique level of disdain for Obama.
Right it's not race related and his housing discrimination cases or his hard on for the Central Park Five are just coincidences
Obama is an individual. There is something other than race that motivates Trump's obsession with him.

Maybe envy, because he also wants to be admired like Obama was among non-conservatives.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2017, 11:31:15 AM »

He only ran for President because of Obama, so it's no surprise. For some reason, (and it's not race) he has a unique level of disdain for Obama.
Yes it is. He spent years questioning Obama's legitimacy as the president and as an American.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2017, 11:31:22 AM »

Sounds like Obama with bush.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2017, 11:33:01 AM »

The lies. Obama was questioning Bush's citizenship? Obama accused Bush of wiretapping him and called him a sick man on Twitter? Every time Obama met with a diplomat he asked if Bush supported a policy before he gave a yes or no answer?
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2017, 11:53:24 AM »

The lies. Obama was questioning Bush's citizenship? Obama accused Bush of wiretapping him and called him a sick man on Twitter? Every time Obama met with a diplomat he asked if Bush supported a policy before he gave a yes or no answer?
No. But he still blamed him in other ways.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2017, 08:15:33 PM »


The lies. Obama was questioning Bush's citizenship? Obama accused Bush of wiretapping him and called him a sick man on Twitter? Every time Obama met with a diplomat he asked if Bush supported a policy before he gave a yes or no answer?

No. But he still blamed him in other ways.

You are missing the point. Some "mild" criticism from one president to another on policy, etc is acceptable. But to question one's citizenship or make wild accusations of wiretapping are insane.
There is no comparison ... so don't go there.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2017, 08:16:35 PM »

Sounds like Obama with bush at a lesser level.

The lies. Obama was questioning Bush's citizenship? Obama accused Bush of wiretapping him and called him a sick man on Twitter? Every time Obama met with a diplomat he asked if Bush supported a policy before he gave a yes or no answer?

No. But he still blamed him in other ways.

You are missing the point. Some "mild" criticism from one president to another on policy, etc is acceptable. But to question one's citizenship or make wild accusations of wiretapping are insane.
There is no comparison ... so don't go there.
Ok.  Fixed it.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2017, 11:18:12 PM »

Bush was terrible & if anything Obama was soft on Bush. A million people are dead because of Bush & ofcourse everything from 9/11 to the great recession happened under Bush & he was a clueless President as there can ever be.

To compare this to Trump & Obama is frankly ridiculous !
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2017, 01:39:08 AM »

He only ran for President because of Obama, so it's no surprise. For some reason, (and it's not race) he has a unique level of disdain for Obama.

He hated him primarily because of his race.  He may not say outright anything racist, but if you look at this actions and history I have every reason to believe he is a racist.  Maybe not a KKK, Neo-Nazi type as lets remember racism is a spectrum and very few are actually 100% non-racist or 100% racist, most of us have some prejudices to some degree while few of us actually hate a race so much we want them wiped off the map.  Rather if you look at Trump's past elections be it not renting to Blacks, quoting frequently alt-right sites, his various claims on Muslims, calling Mexicans racist, insulting an American born Indiana judge in the Trump University who has Hispanic, he definitely compared to pretty much every post WWII president most closely fits the mold of a racist.
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2017, 01:40:53 AM »

Bush was terrible & if anything Obama was soft on Bush. A million people are dead because of Bush & ofcourse everything from 9/11 to the great recession happened under Bush & he was a clueless President as there can ever be.

To compare this to Trump & Obama is frankly ridiculous !
Yes it is.

Obama critized Bush on the campaign trail, but as soon as he was elected he was very respectful towards Bush.

I have had it with the false equivalancies of conservatives, frankly.
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2017, 10:51:29 PM »

He only ran for President because of Obama, so it's no surprise. For some reason, (and it's not race) he has a unique level of disdain for Obama.
Yes it is. He spent years questioning Obama's legitimacy as the president and as an American.

Well duh! That shifts the attention over to him and provokes controversy. And some people had doubts about the legitimacy of Obama's citizenship.

If the issue with Obama had been over his ears, or because he don't like cherry pie, then that is what Trump would've attacked.

And if the Left had been more vocal about Gitmo and the Public Option being gutted enough for Trump to see the dots, then that is what Trump would've gone after. After all, he had plenty of liberal positions once upon a time.



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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2017, 11:03:14 PM »
« Edited: August 13, 2017, 11:05:18 PM by RFKFan68 »

He only ran for President because of Obama, so it's no surprise. For some reason, (and it's not race) he has a unique level of disdain for Obama.
Yes it is. He spent years questioning Obama's legitimacy as the president and as an American.

Well duh! That shifts the attention over to him and provokes controversy. And some people had doubts about the legitimacy of Obama's citizenship.

If the issue with Obama had been over his ears, or because he don't like cherry pie, then that is what Trump would've attacked.

And if the Left had been more vocal about Gitmo and the Public Option being gutted enough for Trump to see the dots, then that is what Trump would've gone after. After all, he had plenty of liberal positions once upon a time.




Trump is racist and wanted to sully the legacy of a black president. I'm not sure what the purpose was for all that you typed. Trump once tweeted that Obama was so bad at his job that there wouldn't be another black president for decades. There is an abundance of receipts in regards to Trump's racism.

ETA: Link to aforementioned tweet

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/537157586316165120
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2017, 11:56:36 PM »


No. Obama simply undid the damage to the extent possible. He did  not need to mention his predecessor when so doing. 

What could Dubya do? He was extremely unpopular by 2009, practically becoming a recluse. Nobody asked him for expertise. He did not campaign for people while President.

Except that President Obama dares not undercut the foreign policy of President Trump, he still has far more credibility. Except that the current President demonizes him (someone more competent would recognize his merits as President because those are well known) he can do much damage to President Trump -- like campaigning for Democrats who might be in electoral trouble.  He can make speeches that remind us of what a good President is.

A different Republican (Kasich? Romney? Jeb Bush?) might see him useful in foreign policy. He has cozy relations with the military and the intelligence services.   
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2017, 03:18:24 AM »

Sounds like Obama with bush at a lesser level.

The lies. Obama was questioning Bush's citizenship? Obama accused Bush of wiretapping him and called him a sick man on Twitter? Every time Obama met with a diplomat he asked if Bush supported a policy before he gave a yes or no answer?

No. But he still blamed him in other ways.

You are missing the point. Some "mild" criticism from one president to another on policy, etc is acceptable. But to question one's citizenship or make wild accusations of wiretapping are insane.
There is no comparison ... so don't go there.
Ok.  Fixed it.

Sorry Saint. Not remotely the same by any objective standard.
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2017, 12:54:14 PM »

I actually agree with the fact that Trump is obsessed with Obama. Has it something to do with colour? I don't know. Maybe a factor, but the the decisive one.

When I first read the suggestion that Trump is obsessed with Obama, the secret Russian report came to my mind. You know, the golden showers. Didn't the report claim that he received them in the exact same bed Obama had stayed in? But honestly I don't know whether the report is accurate on this. Maybe not, so I take no guarantee. If true, however, it would be very very strange.
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2017, 12:56:38 PM »

Any diplomat can say anything, especially off the record. This doesn't necessarily prove anything.
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