Protestors Topple Confederate Monument in North Carolina

[Helsinkian]

So, Penn Jillette was just on Bill Maher's show where he said that the George Washington statues should be taken down, and Maher's left-wing audience applauded at that.

[KingSweden]

So, Penn Jillette was just on Bill Maher's show where he said that the George Washington statues should be taken down, and Maher's left-wing audience applauded at that.

Ah, yes, never doubt the ability of progressives to shoot off their own foot and blow an easy win. Ugh.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Oh, and yes, there is just a teensy teensy tiny difference between pulling down a statue and physically assaulting another human being, let alone running 20 of them down in the car

I don't think anyone said otherwise......oh and when are you leaving the BAL club?  You really need a red or socialist avatar,  you big lug. 

Sorry, "BAL"?

Blue Avatar Lawyer, I think.

[publicunofficial]

So, Penn Jillette was just on Bill Maher's show where he said that the George Washington statues should be taken down, and Maher's left-wing audience applauded at that.

Ah, yes, never doubt the ability of progressives to shoot off their own foot and blow an easy win. Ugh.

What progressives are in Bill Maher's audience.

[Kingpoleon]

Accuse me of moderate heroism all you want, but taking down statues of John Brown is perfectly reasonable in the context of venerating anti-state violence.

That does not mean we shouldn't also take down Confederate monuments, especially since so many of them were erected 60-100 years after the war and have nothing to do with "honoring the fallen"

You really want to erase the monuments of our history? This isn't about Southern heritage - this is about American history.

I have an avid interest in history. Let us leave up these monuments, not as symbols of the past in support thereof, but that we might not forget our history. Do not erase our history, good or bad. We must remember both if we wish to continue the greatness of America and put an end to the crimes of America. Our history is not one of sheer right and good, but rather a complicated one. As complicated as it might be, our history shows that the forces of evil will not long hold off the forces of good in America.  We should not, however, erase the signs of past evils.

I see your point, but a public statue of an individual is a way of celebrating them.  Would you be OK with moving them to museums?

Absolutely. To quote Donald Trump, Barack Obama, and Indiana Jones: "It belongs in a museum."

[publicunofficial]

There's no reason any of these statues should be in museums. That's just a pure Moderate Hero stance.

[TheSaint250]

There's no reason any of these statues should be in museums. That's just a pure Moderate Hero stance.

Why not?

In public places, if the governments so choose, they should either be demolished or put away as a remnant of the celebration of a failed, rebellious nation.

[publicunofficial]

There's no reason any of these statues should be in museums. That's just a pure Moderate Hero stance.

Why not?

In public places, if the governments so choose, they should either be demolished or put away as a remnant of the celebration of a failed, rebellious nation.

What historical value do they have? Most aren't even from the Civil War era, they were built in the 30's or 60's by racist d-bag politicians as a way of giving the middle finger to the Civil Rights movement.

The way some conservatives talk about these things you'd think they believe that destroying the statues will cause people to forget the Civil War ever happened, which is preposterous. If Anything, most of the people pulling down these statues would be in favor of more education on slavery and the Civil War in schools.

[Maxwell]

There's no reason any of these statues should be in museums. That's just a pure Moderate Hero stance.

Maybe in a museum of the Jim Crow era? IDK

[publicunofficial]

If you were to go back in time and tell the people who commissioned these statues that they will one day be used as rallying points for white supremacists, I'd imagine they'd tell you that's exactly what they were hoping for.

[TheSaint250]

There's no reason any of these statues should be in museums. That's just a pure Moderate Hero stance.

Why not?

In public places, if the governments so choose, they should either be demolished or put away as a remnant of the celebration of a failed, rebellious nation.

What historical value do they have? Most aren't even from the Civil War era, they were built in the 30's or 60's by racist d-bag politicians as a way of giving the middle finger to the Civil Rights movement.

The way some conservatives talk about these things you'd think they believe that destroying the statues will cause people to forget the Civil War ever happened, which is preposterous. If Anything, most of the people pulling down these statues would be in favor of more education on slavery and the Civil War in schools.

I guess I agree with you on the post-Civil War ones.

But yeah I agree that this talk about forgetting the Civil War is idiotic.

[Badger]

There's no reason any of these statues should be in museums. That's just a pure Moderate Hero stance.

Why not?

In public places, if the governments so choose, they should either be demolished or put away as a remnant of the celebration of a failed, rebellious nation.

What historical value do they have? Most aren't even from the Civil War era, they were built in the 30's or 60's by racist d-bag politicians as a way of giving the middle finger to the Civil Rights movement.

The way some conservatives talk about these things you'd think they believe that destroying the statues will cause people to forget the Civil War ever happened, which is preposterous. If Anything, most of the people pulling down these statues would be in favor of more education on slavery and the Civil War in schools.

I guess I agree with you on the post-Civil War ones.

But yeah I agree that this talk about forgetting the Civil War is idiotic.

But has was pointed out when this debate recently surfaced, saying and something I didn't know either, a large number, probably a majority from all indications, were erected during the mid-twentieth century as a direct reaction against the civil rights movement and support for Jim Crow.

The same thing incidentally occurred regarding state flags remaining of them were changed only then to incorporate the Confederate logo. Many of the southern states flags didn't have that imagery until oh Dr Martin Luther coon and Northern Jewish agitators started coming south to try stirring up our n******.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What historical value do they have? Most aren't even from the Civil War era, they were built in the 30's or 60's by racist d-bag politicians as a way of giving the middle finger to the Civil Rights movement.

Aha! You've just answered your own question. Museums at least don't have to display only things we might approve of, and that period was critically important in the history of the USA South.

[Helsinkian]

I heard there's a big monument in Rome where they used to make slaves kill each other for entertainment. That's horrible, we can't glorify such disgraceful history by allowing it to remain a tourist attraction today. #TearItDown

[MasterJedi]

I'm sure that everyone who supports these statues due to "history" would be ok if Islamic groups or others erected statues to the 9/11 (or other terrorists), right? If you don't support it you're "trying to forget history"?

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

I'm sure that everyone who supports these statues due to "history" would be ok if Islamic groups or others erected statues to the 9/11 (or other terrorists), right? If you don't support it you're "trying to forget history"?

That's a moderate hero compromise I could get behind.

[Helsinkian]

Why do we care what your opinion is you're not even an American

OK, so only Afghanis get to have an opinion on the Buddhas of Bamiyan?

[Mr. Smith]

Why not just leave the Pedestals empty?

[HisGrace]

I'm sure that everyone who supports these statues due to "history" would be ok if Islamic groups or others erected statues to the 9/11 (or other terrorists), right? If you don't support it you're "trying to forget history"?

I'm sure if some Mosque put up a statue of Bin Laden just to "remember" him Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity would be as 100% fine with it as they are with the Confederate monuments.

[publicunofficial]

Why not just leave the Pedestals empty?

If you take off the racist southerner on top, most Confederate statues become perfectly harmless statues of pretty horses.

[Kingpoleon]

I'm sure that everyone who supports these statues due to "history" would be ok if Islamic groups or others erected statues to the 9/11 (or other terrorists), right? If you don't support it you're "trying to forget history"?

That's a moderate hero compromise I could get behind.

We can't do that for 9/11. If I remember correctly, the terrorists were attacking New York City because of the rampant crime there. Almost immediately, crime levels dropped. The Confederates rebellion against high crime rates actually ended up causing more crimes, both during and after the Anti-Criminal Rebellion(a. k. a. The Civil War).

[publicunofficial]

National Review, everybody. Give it up.

[Santander]

Those nice suburban movement conservatives, right?

[HisGrace]

No one is in a better position to identify things that are worse for black people than segregation than a white conservative.

[MasterJedi]

No one is in a better position to identify things that are worse for black people than segregation than a white conservative.

Hey, they also like to change speeches to say that "the white liberal" was the one standing in the way of equality when it actually was "the white moderate".