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Question: With all the trouble he is facing, will Trump step down? Especially after today.
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No
 
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Total Voters: 67

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2017, 03:28:15 PM »

I misread the question as "Should he resign?" and answered 'yes'.

He has shown his incompetence in addressing a very basic moral issue. There is no ambiguity about the fascist pigs who organized the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville: they are unmitigated evil.  The only equivalence on the Left is Marxism-Leninism in its worst manifestations. There is no mass support for the genocidal Right. In this he has again showed his gross incompetence as President. One cannot be mealy-mouthed against pure evil and have credibility, Yes, one can deal with flawed people (aren't we all?) -- but one can only be soiled in a dealing with the Devil that is Nazism.

In countries other than the United States, this sort of leadership typically leads to a military coup. He lost the council of businessmen who intended to push reforms to make government work better and create tax changes to encourage manufacturing in America. (Never mind that these reforms will have active opposition, but if he loses his core of elite support, what does he have?)

Disapproval of this President has been high for his betrayal of promises and for his erratic behavior was already high. It is not for his ideology; about 44% of Americans accept his economic agenda and thought that he speaks for them on matters of ethnicity. When disapproval of him is near 60%, he is losing support of people who would support practically any Republican as President... but not him.

But that polling was from no later than Saturday, before the effects of the riot in Charlottesville (don't fool yourself -- it was a riot) and his mangled response.

A President like Reagan recognized that it was always open season on the most overt expressions of genocidal racism in America even if he could empathize with the (white racist) culture  that has more nuance than the "Sieg heil!! stuff.

He cannot achieve his agenda as long as he is President. One may consider big pay cuts, reduction of public services including welfare, tax cuts for the super-rich paid for with taxes that fall heavily on the poor, and the evisceration of unions -- America acted as if it wanted to "Make America Great Again" -- which means going back to the 1920s when life was nasty for anyone not part of the tiny middle class of the time and the tinier clique of industrialists and financiers of the time. But it was apparently easier to get far richer if one was already rich and acceptable to delve into mindless, blatant indulgence if one was part of the ruling elite when it voted with that horrible man and voted to keep Republican majorities in both Houses of Congress.

Yes, I can see it in ways that Trump voters could not recognize -- and, as I figure, many people see things now. Elections have consequences. Vote for a Hitler or a Duvalier, or even lesser incompetence and evil like Trump, and you get bad results.

We Americans are, in the mass, the biggest schmucks in politics in the advanced industrial world. We are complacent about our own mass ignorance -- and we will not be free of the danger of the appeal of demagogues until we divest ourselves of our mass ignorance. In view of the cunning deviousness of the mass manipulators  willing to sell out to anyone to get their pay or some special interests rewarded, we will be vulnerable to demagogues in any rough time. Are there left-wing demagogues in line to do much as Donald Trump does, except for a left-wing flavor? You bet.

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