Why is there a false equivalence in Charlottesville?

[Tekken_Guy]

Why is there a false equivalence between the two sides at Charlottesville? I gave four possib

[Gass3268]

Where is all of the above?

[Tekken_Guy]

Sorry I meant to list them from most to least.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

The Nazis are falling back to a false equivalence because their actions and their ideals are utterly indefensible.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Because the video's show a) the Nazi's being more violent b) they showed up wanting to cause trouble (see the Vice report on this), and c) they are the only one's who killed someone

[Mr. Reactionary]

Because the video's show a) the Nazi's being more violent b) they showed up wanting to cause trouble (see the Vice report on this), and c) they are the only one's who killed someone

[HAnnA MArin County]

Because the Dear Leader said there was.

I vote E) all of the above.

[Nyvin]

All of the above.

We all know which side incited all the violence.

[Middle-aged Europe]

If I have to choose I say Option 1.

All apply to some extent though. I I have to rank them, it looks like this:
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[TJ in Oregon]

The "right" (I hesitate to dignify them by calling them that) look much worse because their movement was white supremacists and killed somebody. If instead they were mainstream folks protesting to keep the statue and a bunch of left wing hooligans started a riot, then the left would look bad from it.

[Young Conservative]

An alt right individual killed someone. However, antifa is also despicable. A varying degree of evil among two group doesn't change the fact that both are still evil.

[Person Man]

Where is all of the above?

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Because the video's show a) the Nazis being more violent b) they showed up wanting to cause trouble (see the Vice report on this), and c) they are the only one's who killed someone

This.

The "right" (I hesitate to dignify them by calling them that)

Also this. These people are not conservatives; they are fascists.

[GGover]

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The death of Heather Heyer is easily the biggest factor. If no one died and no one was run over, this probably would've been forgotten by now like the fights at Berkeley.  But it would've been a slightly bigger story than Berkeley because of the torches and more blatant racism.

[Tekken_Guy]

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The death of Heather Heyer is easily the biggest factor. If no one died and no one was run over, this probably would've been forgotten by now like the fights at Berkeley.  But it would've been a slightly bigger story than Berkeley because of the torches and more blatant racism.

Agreed. Though if it was a left wing guy killing a white nationalist it would still be big but a much smaller story. That story would probably be comparable to Chattanooga or Oak Creek in size at best. This story is up there with Newtown and Orlando as among the biggest of the decade. I talked to a South African media researcher and, unless Barcelona is able to make a significant impact in a day, it'll make up over half the newshole for this week.

[KingSweden]

Because the video's show a) the Nazi's being more violent b) they showed up wanting to cause trouble (see the Vice report on this), and c) they are the only one's who killed someone

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Why is there a false equivalence? Because racists like to point fingers away from them when one of their own kills someone. Pretty disgusting stuff if you ask me, and most of the World watching this with disgust.

[ProudModerate2]

An alt right individual killed someone. However, antifa is also despicable. A varying degree of evil among two group doesn't change the fact that both are still evil.

It seems the New Fuhrer did a good job brain washing you ("there is blame on both sides").

The white nationalist at the rally represented pure wickedness, and there were many of them. Those who protested with them, that may have not had such "extreme" views, could easily hear their words of hatred and see their symbols/clothing of evil.
They could easily have exited and decided not to be associated with them, if they wanted.
So in the end, those who chose to stay representing the "right," in my eyes, are ALL Nazi thugs.

On the other hand, those who were there to counter-protest (the "left"), were probably majority "mainstream" individuals. People who are tolerant of others, and who represent just wanting a normal peaceful life (more about love, not hate). Many of them were just your standard mom/dad, or students, or teachers, etc. (And I might add, represented various races/color.)
You can not view this "left" side as ALL "Antifa." I would be willing to bet that a majority of them, don't even know what the f, Anitifa even means.
"Non-Antifa," normal people, can also rise up in great numbers when evil is easily detected, and have no fear of joining to protest against the demonic. In fact in a great democratic society such as ours (the USA), I believe it is our duty to do so.

Conclusion: So your attempt (and trump's) to try to label the anti-hate side as "Antifa" or "Alt-left" is misguided and a failure.
On the other hand, we can easily ascertain that the people who were in Charlottesville representing the "right," where ALL bigoted, Nazi-loving, KKK, scum of the Earth.

[Associate Justice PiT]

An alt right individual killed someone. However, antifa is also despicable. A varying degree of evil among two group doesn't change the fact that both are still evil.

It seems the New Fuhrer did a good job brain washing you ("there is blame on both sides").

The white nationalist at the rally represented pure wickedness, and there were many of them. Those who protested with them, that may have not had such "extreme" views, could easily hear their words of hatred and see their symbols/clothing of evil.
They could easily have exited and decided not to be associated with them, if they wanted.
So in the end, those who chose to stay representing the "right," in my eyes, are ALL Nazi thugs.

On the other hand, those who were there to counter-protest (the "left"), were probably majority "mainstream" individuals. People who are tolerant of others, and who represent just wanting a normal peaceful life (more about love, not hate). Many of them were just your standard mom/dad, or students, or teachers, etc. (And I might add, represented various races/color.)
You can not view this "left" side as ALL "Antifa." I would be willing to bet that a majority of them, don't even know what the f, Anitifa even means.
"Non-Antifa," normal people, can also rise up in great numbers when evil is easily detected, and have no fear of joining to protest against the demonic. In fact in a great democratic society such as ours (the USA), I believe it is our duty to do so.

Conclusion: So your attempt (and trump's) to try to label the anti-hate side as "Antifa" or "Alt-left" is misguided and a failure.
On the other hand, we can easily ascertain that the people who were in Charlottesville representing the "right," where ALL bigoted, Nazi-loving, KKK, scum of the Earth.

     Distilling this post down, the decisive factor for me in rejecting the equivalence is that many of the counter-protestors were honest, non-violent people who were simply concerned about racism. If it were purely Antifa vs. KKK, I would say that the equivalence is justified. Instead it was "lots of non-terrible people and some Antifa" vs. KKK.

[pbrower2a]

All of the above, but the murder is the biggest factor this time.

On the other side -- there is no mainstream support for antisemitism. Racism is a dying phenomenon. The idea of preserving white privilege by protecting a white majority from immigration and 'race mixing' is dead.

Yes, there are people who would love to preserve Confederate statues, but those people want nothing to do with Nazis.   

[RINO Tom]

Because the video's show a) the Nazis being more violent b) they showed up wanting to cause trouble (see the Vice report on this), and c) they are the only one's who killed someone

This.

The "right" (I hesitate to dignify them by calling them that)

Also this. These people are not conservatives; they are fascists.

This can't be emphasized enough.  The fact that a sitting Republican President did anything less than immediately condemn them without hesitation should have enraged every Republican and member of the conservative movement in this country.  He put himself so ridiculously out of the mainstream with that presser, as evidenced by dozens of elected Republicans publicly criticizing them.

[Beet]

Because the video's show a) the Nazis being more violent b) they showed up wanting to cause trouble (see the Vice report on this), and c) they are the only one's who killed someone

This.

The "right" (I hesitate to dignify them by calling them that)

Also this. These people are not conservatives; they are fascists.

This can't be emphasized enough.  The fact that a sitting Republican President did anything less than immediately condemn them without hesitation should have enraged every Republican and member of the conservative movement in this country.  He put himself so ridiculously out of the mainstream with that presser, as evidenced by dozens of elected Republicans publicly criticizing them.

The "mainstream" is not defined in Washington, D.C. I should know; I live here. The mainstream is defined by the people, out in the country.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Yes, there are people who would love to preserve Confederate statues, but those people want nothing to do with Nazis.   

X 1 Million.

[vanguard96]

Of course the torch rally was a show of intimidation right out of the 1950's and is totally unwelcome and the civilian left counter protesters are justified to respond as they did. There are also the individual leaders like Richard Spencer and Cantwell (the dude from the VICE video who was crying soon after) who say they are just there for a rally but encourage their followers to willingly take many sticks, clubs, shields, makeshift weapons, as well as guns and knives - meaning they are definitely more than complicit.

The antifa are not considered a socially acceptable group by all but the most dyed in the wool progressives, anarchists, and socialists - however they were as in the original poll choice only a very small portion of the counter protest and did not seem to be out in force during the street incident shown in the video where the 32-year old local paralegal and liberal activist lost her life.

The antifa had their Redneck Revolt crew with guns there - as expected when I heard some progressives touting them I knew they would serve as an armed muscle crew for the antifa. I outwardly reproached people who thought the Redneck Revolt movement would be an honorable one and immediately recognized their intended role as armed backup to professional rioters to make the opposition, both the police and their ideological enemies, step back a bit as we see the police do with armed right wing protest groups.

A number of the invited groups including some "Patriot" and 3% groups backed out when they heard the KKK, Neo-Nazis, the TWP and others were participating. Doxxing and other repercussions on the gainfully employed right wing members such as the Nevada Reno student/employee also seen in many pictures from the torch rally mean that these ideological supporters will likely back off while the extremists types with Cantwell and the KKK for instance will be further emboldened by the event.

Likewise, antifa seeing the ability to shut down the rally - only in part - will further feel that they are doing the right thing by using 'any means necessary' even though so few of the common left-liberal progressive counter protesters actually agree with their methods let alone moderates or conservatives.

Finally, as a result of the events we will see a lot more restrictions on demonstrations, invitations of controversial speakers, swift police action in the event of even mild disturbances, and curtailment of hate groups online - meaning the most dogmatic and incensed will go underground like terrorist jihadis.