How does Hillary Clinton's concession rank among historic GE concessions?

[TheLeftwardTide]

I was amazed how Democrats reacted to Trump the SAME way the Republican Establishment did. It was REALLY eye opening and IMO proved the "horseshoe theory" of politics true.

Then you clearly don't understand what the horseshoe theory is. The horseshoe theory states that the far left and the far right are more similar to each other than they are to the center. The Democratic establishment is largely considered to be centrist and the Republican establishment center-right; what the hell are you talking about? I mean, since you think that the Bush administration (which was very establishment) was left-wing, this argument very directly contradicts your other point.

>b-b-but that's cuz illegals voted for Hillary in mass

Nope. Fake news.

1. Politifact is known to be liberally biased.
2. I know many illegals who voted. They use stolen/fake SSNs.

See, this is the ad hominem logical fallacy. Instead of reading the article and going through it, point-by-point, dismantling it, you choose to instead attack the source (Politifact) and dismiss their arguments. Look at how I first dismantled your "Clinton is a leftist" argument, then attacked your comprehension of the left-right political spectrum directly. Also, anecdotal evidence means jack s**t.

>b-b-but the polls were wrong and are wrong about 2016

Nope. If you check the polls, while they did show leads for Clinton, those leads were within the margin of error by election day. Nate Silver of 538 put Trump's chances of success at 30%.

71% chance for Clinton to win does not mean he thought Trump would win lol.

No participation trophies here!

You managed to miss the entire point of my argument. Here, I showed how polling is still accurate to enough of an extent such that Trump's approval ratings have an impact. The current Gallup poll has his approve-disprove ratio at 35-60. Let's be extremely generous and give Trump a 10-point swing, which is much more than the actual margin of error of polling. He's still 5 points underwater, at 45-50. At this stage of the presidency, when the voters just recently elected him, even that's just atrocious.
If I wanted to use an example of someone who predicted Trump would win, I would have mentioned Michael Moore, a die-hard liberal.

Nope. A vocal minority of protesters doesn't represent all Democrats, just like a vocal minority of white supremacists doesn't represent all Trump voters.

Vocal minority? Lol.

It's everywhere.

It's MILLIONS of them.

We have celebrities holding a fake Trump head with blood on it; a famous singer wishing she could blow up the White House; a drunk has-been actor wondering when's the last time a celebrity assassinated a President; etc. etc.

Even if 5 million Clinton voters were a part of this fringe vocal minority, it still would be a fringe vocal minority, because that equates to 1/12, or ~8.33%, of total Clinton voters. Thanks for conveniently forgetting to back up your statements with any concrete evidence, and instead opting to use anecdotal evidence. The examples of three wealthy, out-of-touch celebrities is absolutely not enough (if you want to play the anecdotal game, I distinctly remember Kyle Kulinski panning Kathy Griffin for her incident). Seriously, show me a legitimate poll that shows >40% of Clinton voters wishing for Trump to be assassinated. I found a poll that says two-thirds of Trump voters think Obama is a Muslim. But even then, I still hold the firm belief that the majority of Trump voters are good people, and the prejudiced ones are just bad apples. If I were to judge you from your posts, you are clearly not part of that majority.

What? Are you kidding me? The original topic of the thread was about the quality of Clinton's concession speech, are you living in an alternate reality?

In conclusion, it seems like you're a huge cat with a tiny head.

I am talking about the quality of her concession - and I feel it was down a lot because she refused to publicly concede til the morning. She had all sorts of time to work on her concession speech.

The fact she didn't concede on election night is interesting, because of all the crap they gave Trump about "accepting the results of the election."

In the end, it ended up being Democrats who still can't accept it.

Again, show me a poll that shows that the majority of Democratic voters think that the election results are illegitimate and Trump physically stole the election by manipulating the vote count. This is what Trump was worried about when he said that the election results might be rigged. Recall my previous point about anecdotal evidence proving insufficient - "NOT MY PRESIDENT" rallies or Democratic elites pushing Russiagate do not count.

About Russiagate - something that I've learned from life is that you shouldn't resist an investigation if you truly have nothing to hide. Everyone who truly believes that Trump is clean should be in favor of an investigation. I'm not implying that Trump is guilty, by the way.

By the way, David Leip, the character limit on posts is too low. SAD!

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"Fiscally centrist, socially liberal" =/= left-wing. Hillary was left-wing on social issues, but not on economics, so she is not a leftist.

The "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" is just a meme, you know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Clinton

Nothing "right wing" about her.

So accepting the scientific consensus makes you a leftist? I'm not even going to waste my time trying to disprove anti-climate-change arguments. Hell, I wish believing in climate change was a left-wing policy internationally; it would really strengthen my ideology in the long-term.

No, but complaining about climate change while flying on carbon guzzling airplanes makes you one.

Being hawkish or a neo-conservative is considered to be a right-wing position, you know. Being dovish or isolationist is considered to be a left-wing position; anti-war movements and socialists movements largely go hand-in-hand.

Socialists are anti-war? LOLOLOL!!!!!

Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega, Stalin, etc. etc. are anti-war? This is news to me!!!

The 2000, 2004 and 2016 Democratic nominees both supported the Iraq war. Obama was a warmonger.

You're implying that being pro-police and pro-BLM is mutually exclusive, but they aren't (then again, I can guess you're one of those numbskulls who thinks BLM is a terrorist organization). For the record, I'm pro-police, neutral on BLM, and in strongly favor of criminal justice reform. Also, how the hell was Clinton anti-police?

By inviting the parents of Trayvon Martin/Eric Garner/etc. etc. to bash police.

That was Sanders. Even though "free college" (what a generalized term, by the way, I mean, what does that even mean?) may have been on her platform, she didn't run on her platform. Free college was noticably absent from the message in her rallies.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

I mean, if you really think the Bush administration (Dubya) was left-wing, 

Bush was more left wing than even Obama.

This is why they were so opposed to Trump - he's the first real right wing candidate in decades. Like over 50 years.

Don't recall Democrats chanting "LOCK HER UP" at Sarah Palin, but OK.

They did even worse than that.

Plus, Clinton broke so many laws it was hilarious.

I don't think you're making this up, but can you provide a source? I don't think Clarence Thomas is a notable supreme court justice in any way, shape, or form. Meanwhile, Colin Kaepernick essentially sacrificed his entire football career to speak out for what he believed in. I don't know if that warrants an exhibit but it sure is a good enough argument to have one; definitely a good enough argument to dispute any conspiracy theories based around it.

"Spoke out for what he believed in."

LOL what? The dude is a millionaire football player who was adopted by white parents.

A black Supreme Court justice isn't noteworthy?

First of all, quoting a HuffPost prediction, one largely mocked by both Democrats (like me) and Republicans before the election results, is terrible evidence.

It was Sam Wang, NYT too (they had it at like 85%).

It's crazy how before the election, Drumpf should prepare his concession speech. But after he won, everyone was like "I knew he'd win." Just amazing!

Secondly, it's not like Trump is a poor, abandoned, lone wolf; he did have the vast majority of the Republican establishment on his side despite your narrative, working closely with Reince Priebus, even getting Ted Cruz to phonebank for him; not to mention that he's a billionaire. Yes, he won in an upset, but it doesn't mean that he curb-stomped Hillary by any means.

He's a billionaire but didn't spend much money.

He didn't have the "vast majority of the Republican establishment" on his side.

They used the BS Access Hollywood video tape to get out of supporting him. It was all planned.

They didn't expect him to win. Paul Ryan was telling Congress members to vote for their conscience and to get ready for a Hillary Presidency.

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Lol @ bringing up a poll for birtherism when it was Clinton that started birtherism in 2008.

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Example of violence against Trump supporters just during a small time period  of the GOP primaries:

https://twitter.com/TomLlamasABC/status/738569251590541312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmBXNE8gZvI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QPGeuduAr4

https://twitter.com/JimmyPrinceton/status/738581044983533569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/dcbigjohn/status/738568045342248961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/dcbigjohn/status/738567377755852801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/CandaceSmith_/status/738568396036415488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/Jacobnbc/status/738548054970630144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/738567898965233664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/SaraMurray/status/738562107487059969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/DefendWallSt/status/738574855206010880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/SaraMurray/status/738560600612048897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1OwxWbdgYEkJQ

https://twitter.com/JoePerticone/status/738565044712017921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/MeOnAJourney/status/738564126335762432/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/marcusdipaola/status/738572899808743424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/juliacarriew/status/738565797639917568/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/NickyWoolf/status/738572825385017344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/TomLlamasABC/status/738580511992381440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/smahaskey/status/738570881392214017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/738577323201462273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/artfulroger1/status/738576898737872899/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/TomLlamasABC/status/738571817388908545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/Jacobnbc/status/738585705513787392

https://www.facebook.com/Dailytrumpmemes/videos/829877953778815/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAAaivvNw_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0NpqCm2OeM&app=desktop

https://twitter.com/smahaskey/status/738573795896610816

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnYXA3_UAv8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIWixTOy94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QFpyuEmrIM&feature=youtu.be

@23:40 https://www.periscope.tv/torbahax/1dRJZkLpPXrxB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0TPZotJZP4&feature=youtu.be

https://twitter.com/JoePerticone/status/738565925067096065

https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/738568861465747456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/TomLlamasABC/status/738603331258454016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/738561162980134913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Editor of Vox supporting the riots: https://twitter.com/emmettrensin/status/738583628855156742

[Fuzzy Bear]

The fact that this imbecile thinks crying over losing a video game and crying over losing election are the same thing says everything. I'm glad he comes from such cushiness that the winner of an election doesn't matter, but not everyone has that luxury. Although it seems clear that pointing out just how much so many people have to lose under President Trump would go right over this moron's head. I suppose these folks wouldn't really count as "real Americans" anyway.

F-cking pinhead.

Ad hominems and personal insults. Nice. Is this the 'tolerant' left in action once more?

Being a dumbass Republican is a choice, and I am more than happy to judge you on it.

I love how Trump has exposed leftists.

I always knew it, but this election has made the proof undeniable.

Exposing the hypocrisy of others is what Trump does best.  It's why he's both entertaining and successful, often despite his lack of message discipline and a verbal filter.

I can imagine that Hillary was utterly devastated by her loss.  It was on a par of Broadway Joe's 1968 Jets dumping the 13-1 Colts in the Super Bowl; a rude, humiliating upset in which the winner won a bit ugly.  But you go out and face the media; THAT'S WHAT A LEADER DOES!!!  Cry later.  Get drunk later.  But show up, buck up the troops, put your supporters first. 

I don't want to put too much on this, but the fact that Hillary couldn't come out at 2:30 am when the going was tough begs the question of what kind of LEADER she really is.  Trump wouldn't have shied away.  He'd have been throwing bombs, talking about the rigged system, etc., but he would also have been talking about the "wonderful", "fantastic" people that stuck with him.  He'd have showed up; maybe he'd have been Trumpus Maximus, but he'd have shown up.  Hillary wasn't the sorest loser I've ever seen, and I enjoy a sore loser from time to time; at least moreso than a loser faking "good will".  But she was a self-absorbed "no show" when she needed to show, and that does speak volumes.

[Illini Moderate]

No, but complaining about climate change while flying on carbon guzzling airplanes makes you one. 

Complaining about climate change while flying on an airplane makes you a leftist? That's a new one. How is she supposed to get around to campaign? On an even bigger note, I think you are missing the point of climate change. No one is saying that air travel should cease to exist.... God its like having a discussion with a fourth grader......

By inviting the parents of Trayvon Martin/Eric Garner/etc. etc. to bash police.

Ok for one, Trayvon Martin was not killed by a police officer. He was killed by a citizen who was armed pursued him for wearing a hood after being told not to by a dispatcher. Second, she did not bring them out to "bash police". They were there to speak out against police brutality. Being anti police brutality does NOT mean being anti police. Hillary made ZERO anti police statements.

Bush was more left wing than even Obama.

http://us-presidents.insidegov.com/l/39/George-W-Bush
http://us-presidents.insidegov.com/l/2/Barack-Obama

You are literally ignoring facts if you believe this. They are not even close. But then again I'm not surprised considering you think Donald Trump is the only true conservative candidate in 50 years.

it was Clinton that started birtherism in 2008.

That has repeatedly been debunked. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

Sorry, but 71% is saying "Clinton will win."

You don't get to be that wrong and then claim you are "right."

No.... A 71% chance of winning does not mean "Clinton will win" it means "she had a 71% CHANCE of winning"   
There isn't a right or wrong in this case. You really do not understand probability do you?

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I can't think of anything wrong with her speech(an election night speech at the Javits Centre may have been better). I'm not sure I can say it was the best but it was certainly in the top rank and did everything a good concession speech does.

[Coraxion]

Who the hell cares if she didn't give the speech earlier? At least she actually DID concede, which Trump wouldn't have.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Hillary Clinton is a center left politician. George Bush was a right-wing president. These are facts.

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Hillary Clinton is a center left politician. George Bush was a right-wing president. These are facts.

Jeb Bush tried to claim he was right wing and got pounded in the GOP primaries.

No one believes the Bushes are right wing. Amnesty supporting, pro-NAFTA, common core hacks.

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Who the hell cares if she didn't give the speech earlier? At least she actually DID concede, which Trump wouldn't have.

1. She kept going on and on about how Trump was a "danger to Democracy." That's the difference. When you're up it's easy to talk crap - when you lose the true person comes out.

2. Trump would have conceded unless it was 2000 levels close.

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Complaining about climate change while flying on an airplane makes you a leftist?

To me, leftism = hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is a core tenet of leftism.

That's a new one. How is she supposed to get around to campaign?

Exactly why hypocrisy is a core tenet of leftism. It's impossible to work in the real world. Only peasants should have to pay things like carbon tax anyway. The Queen should not be inconvenienced in any way!

NOn an even bigger note, I think you are missing the point of climate change. No one is saying that air travel should cease to exist.... God its like having a discussion with a fourth grader......

Yeah we don't want you guys to be TOO inconvenienced lol.

They were there to speak out against police brutality.

Aka to bash police. She won't bring up real examples of police brutality - Michael Brown robbed a store before attacking the police officer.

You are literally ignoring facts if you believe this. They are not even close. But then again I'm not surprised considering you think Donald Trump is the only true conservative candidate in 50 years.

- Bush supported tax cuts for the rich. Obama resigned the Bush tax cuts
- Bush supported amnesty. So did Obama.
- Both Bush and Obama were pro-Middle East wars.
- Obama was anti-gay marriage for a while until his masters told him to be pro-gay marriage.

I actually can't really think of a difference.

That has repeatedly been debunked. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

Obama disagrees with you.

I trust him on the matter more than biased "fact checkers."

No.... A 71% chance of winning does not mean "Clinton will win" it means "she had a 71% CHANCE of winning"  
There isn't a right or wrong in this case. You really do not understand probability do you?

Any amateur could become a statistician using your low standards. 71% = she will win. Don't like it? Don't get into the business.

Sorry, I know with Democrats they give out participation trophies, but not me. You can't say Clinton had a 65%+ chance to win the Presidency for almost the entire campaign then say you were right when she loses.

[GlobeSoc]

Complaining about climate change while flying on an airplane makes you a leftist?

To me, leftism = hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is a core tenet of leftism.

That's a new one. How is she supposed to get around to campaign?

Exactly why hypocrisy is a core tenet of leftism. It's impossible to work in the real world. Only peasants should have to pay things like carbon tax anyway. The Queen should not be inconvenienced in any way!

NOn an even bigger note, I think you are missing the point of climate change. No one is saying that air travel should cease to exist.... God its like having a discussion with a fourth grader......

Yeah we don't want you guys to be TOO inconvenienced lol.

They were there to speak out against police brutality.

Aka to bash police. She won't bring up real examples of police brutality - Michael Brown robbed a store before attacking the police officer.

You are literally ignoring facts if you believe this. They are not even close. But then again I'm not surprised considering you think Donald Trump is the only true conservative candidate in 50 years.

- Bush supported tax cuts for the rich. Obama resigned the Bush tax cuts
- Bush supported amnesty. So did Obama.
- Both Bush and Obama were pro-Middle East wars.
- Obama was anti-gay marriage for a while until his masters told him to be pro-gay marriage.

I actually can't really think of a difference.

That has repeatedly been debunked. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

Obama disagrees with you.

I trust him on the matter more than biased "fact checkers."

No.... A 71% chance of winning does not mean "Clinton will win" it means "she had a 71% CHANCE of winning"  
There isn't a right or wrong in this case. You really do not understand probability do you?

Any amateur could become a statistician using your low standards. 71% = she will win. Don't like it? Don't get into the business.

Sorry, I know with Democrats they give out participation trophies, but not me. You can't say Clinton had a 65%+ chance to win the Presidency for almost the entire campaign then say you were right when she loses.

Let's play a round of Russian Roulette. 84% chance of survival = you will survive. There's no danger involved!

[Reaganfan]

I'm surprised she didn't give the speech on election night, but it ranks about medium. Pretty forgettable in the long-term. I still think Gore's was the best.

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Oh yeah and everyone - including me - keeps mentioning she didn't show up on election night, however, she also was 2 hours late to her morning concession. She was still at her hotel as well so it wasn't like traffic kept her up. I really, really, really want to know what was going on. Was she too drunk? Sedated? Inconsolable? Violent? A mixture of all?

If I was rich enough I'd pay a million dollars to just VIEW her election night/morning watch party just once. I remember how shocked Romney was, and how he didn't want to concede, and when his documentary came out, I was hoping to get more information. It didn't show us much and if anything made it more confusing (was it Rove who told the Romney campaign to hold on or was it the other way around?). The documentary obviously didn't show Ann Romney breaking down though it did show her with drying tears at one part.

However, Clinton was even 1,000 times worse. She must have had the melt down of melt downs. I wonder what Bill and Chelsea were doing too. Bill (and Tim Kaine!) was crying when Hillary gave her concession speech and he's usually level-headed.

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Let's play a round of Russian Roulette. 84% chance of survival = you will survive. There's no danger involved!

Except Trump didn't have a 28% chance to win - more like 72%.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Hillary Clinton is a center left politician. George Bush was a right-wing president. These are facts.

Jeb Bush tried to claim he was right wing and got pounded in the GOP primaries.

No one believes the Bushes are right wing. Amnesty supporting, pro-NAFTA, common core hacks.

I forgot how standard GOP positions have magically become secret "liberalism"

[TheLeftwardTide]

Let's play a round of Russian Roulette. 84% chance of survival = you will survive. There's no danger involved!

Except Trump didn't have a 28% chance to win - more like 72%.

Nate Silver had a mathematical model to give Trump a 30% chance of winning in 2016. I would like to see your model on how you got to 72%. Oh, I forgot, hindsight is 20/20 and you don't believe in science.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Complaining about climate change while flying on an airplane makes you a leftist?

To me, leftism = hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is a core tenet of leftism.

That's a new one. How is she supposed to get around to campaign?

Exactly why hypocrisy is a core tenet of leftism. It's impossible to work in the real world. Only peasants should have to pay things like carbon tax anyway. The Queen should not be inconvenienced in any way!

NOn an even bigger note, I think you are missing the point of climate change. No one is saying that air travel should cease to exist.... God its like having a discussion with a fourth grader......

Yeah we don't want you guys to be TOO inconvenienced lol.

They were there to speak out against police brutality.

Aka to bash police. She won't bring up real examples of police brutality - Michael Brown robbed a store before attacking the police officer.

You are literally ignoring facts if you believe this. They are not even close. But then again I'm not surprised considering you think Donald Trump is the only true conservative candidate in 50 years.

- Bush supported tax cuts for the rich. Obama resigned the Bush tax cuts
- Bush supported amnesty. So did Obama.
- Both Bush and Obama were pro-Middle East wars.
- Obama was anti-gay marriage for a while until his masters told him to be pro-gay marriage.

I actually can't really think of a difference.

That has repeatedly been debunked. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

Obama disagrees with you.

I trust him on the matter more than biased "fact checkers."

No.... A 71% chance of winning does not mean "Clinton will win" it means "she had a 71% CHANCE of winning"  
There isn't a right or wrong in this case. You really do not understand probability do you?

Any amateur could become a statistician using your low standards. 71% = she will win. Don't like it? Don't get into the business.

Sorry, I know with Democrats they give out participation trophies, but not me. You can't say Clinton had a 65%+ chance to win the Presidency for almost the entire campaign then say you were right when she loses.

1. I didn't know you were now a leftist.
2. Are you pro-carbon tax?
3. Shutting down air travel would cripple the american economy for little gain.
4. Stealing cigarettes should not earn a death penalty.
5. Really? Abortion, affirmative action, healthcare, gay marriage, social security, prison policy, the 2nd amendment, tax rates for the wealthy, the size of the military, voter registration, green energy, and marijuana are what now?
6. Obama has at no point said that.
7. If you roll a fair die, and someone says it probably won't roll a 6, and you say it certainly will, you are wrong,  even if it did. You didn't outpredict pundits, you were stupid and lucky.

[Beet]

LOL- Outside of Republican wet dreams, Hillary did not have a "meltdown." The campaign actually knew it was in trouble when it massively increased spending in WI and MI the week before the election and sent Obama to MI. The rank and file were more surprised than campaign HQ- but not I. If anything, Republicans are the ones who've had a meltdown over being denied their precious chance to see an election night concession... Which frankly is the only vindication needed of the decision not to give one.

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Nate Silver had a mathematical model to give Trump a 30% chance of winning in 2016. I would like to see your model on how you got to 72%. Oh, I forgot, hindsight is 20/20 and you don't believe in science.

Well his mathematical model was wrong.

If we give a ton of credit for 2008 and 2012, then he gets none for 2016.

Otherwise why don't we just let amateurs take over the business? We don't pay people to be wrong here. Nate got his reputation for being virtually 100% correct in 2008 and 2012. Well, he was dead wrong in 2016 and doesn't deserve any credit.

The only concession I will make is he isn't as brain dead as Sam Wang and the Huffington Post.

I knew he'd win Michigan and Pennsylvania back in 2015. Did not see Wisconsin coming at all though. Thought he'd win Virginia before Wisconsin.

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I forgot how standard GOP positions have magically become secret "liberalism"

In 2012, the GOP Establishment nominated the guy who invented Obamacare and recently has admitted he wanted it to stay.

One thing that worried me is I knew the GOP Establishment never had any intentions of repealing Obamacare, and I was proven right. They virtue signal for votes then backstab us afterwards. That's why we told them to F off and elected Trump instead.

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LOL- Outside of Republican wet dreams, Hillary did not have a "meltdown." The campaign actually knew it was in trouble when it massively increased spending in WI and MI the week before the election and sent Obama to MI. The rank and file were more surprised than campaign HQ- but not I. If anything, Republicans are the ones who've had a meltdown over being denied their precious chance to see an election night concession... Which frankly is the only vindication needed of the decision not to give one.

Her behavior on election night says otherwise though.

Remember, she was 2 hours late for her concession speech in the morning - why if she wasn't inconsolable? She was in her hotel so it wasn't traffic. And she can't blame she was writing a concession speech because she had all night and morning to do so (Romney wrote his on the fly as well and was able to concede that night).

All reports indicate that the campaign thought they were going to win. Senate Republicans sent the media a list of things Hillary needed to do appease Senate Republicans. The fact the Clinton Campaign not only went dark for the media, but also to the DNC indicates they were in complete shock.

On election night, once Florida started going Trump's way, all the pundits said "She doesn't need Florida." Once they start the "candidate doesn't need X" talk then crap is not going as expected.

Actually I'll be fair to Hillary on this - in her book, "What Happened," if she admits why she didn't do the concession I'll be impressed. I think she'll admit she didn't want to concede under the glass ceiling/on top of the blue map of the USA, and that she planned to challenge the results. I don't expect her to entirely honest about her physical reaction (at the most, she will admit she was shocked) but I don't expect her to.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

LOL- Outside of Republican wet dreams, Hillary did not have a "meltdown." The campaign actually knew it was in trouble when it massively increased spending in WI and MI the week before the election and sent Obama to MI. The rank and file were more surprised than campaign HQ- but not I. If anything, Republicans are the ones who've had a meltdown over being denied their precious chance to see an election night concession... Which frankly is the only vindication needed of the decision not to give one.

Her behavior on election night says otherwise though.

Remember, she was 2 hours late for her concession speech in the morning - why if she wasn't inconsolable? She was in her hotel so it wasn't traffic. And she can't blame she was writing a concession speech because she had all night and morning to do so (Romney wrote his on the fly as well and was able to concede that night).

All reports indicate that the campaign thought they were going to win. Senate Republicans sent the media a list of things Hillary needed to do appease Senate Republicans. The fact the Clinton Campaign not only went dark for the media, but also to the DNC indicates they were in complete shock.

On election night, once Florida started going Trump's way, all the pundits said "She doesn't need Florida." Once they start the "candidate doesn't need X" talk then crap is not going as expected.

Actually I'll be fair to Hillary on this - in her book, "What Happened," if she admits why she didn't do the concession I'll be impressed. I think she'll admit she didn't want to concede under the glass ceiling/on top of the blue map of the USA, and that she planned to challenge the results. I don't expect her to entirely honest about her physical reaction (at the most, she will admit she was shocked) but I don't expect her to.

You live up to the label of Trump supporter, I'll at least give you that.

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1. I didn't know you were now a leftist.
2. Are you pro-carbon tax?
3. Shutting down air travel would cripple the american economy for little gain.
4. Stealing cigarettes should not earn a death penalty.
5. Really? Abortion, affirmative action, healthcare, gay marriage, social security, prison policy, the 2nd amendment, tax rates for the wealthy, the size of the military, voter registration, green energy, and marijuana are what now?
6. Obama has at no point said that.
7. If you roll a fair die, and someone says it probably won't roll a 6, and you say it certainly will, you are wrong,  even if it did. You didn't outpredict pundits, you were stupid and lucky.

Remember the Clinton campaign sent this photo to Drudge? A picture of him in Islamic garb sent by "stressed Clinton staffers" during Obama's surge:

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2016/07/07/photo-obama-in-muslim-garb-shows-deep-ties-to-faith-oreilly-says/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-5/images/image.img.jpg/880/558/1467920479674.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

The Obama campaign 100% believed her campaign was the one who sent this photo/started rumors of Obama not "having American roots" or "being a secret Muslim."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/trailhead/2008/02/25/obama_gets_dressed.html

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Hillary Clinton when asked by Steve Kroft if Obama is a Muslim: "No no no! There's nothing to base on... as far as I know."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHFREDHB-nQ

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton-supporters.html

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As mentioned before, Obama blamed HER for these rumors/pictures. Thus, I take what Obama says over fake "fact checking" organizations.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2015/01/29/the-moment-obama-knew-he-would-beat-hillary-clinton-for-the-2008-nomination/

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Clinton invented birtherism.