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  Do you actually favour impeachment of Donald Trump? (search mode)
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Question: Do you favour impeachment!
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Associate Justice PiT
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« on: August 17, 2017, 12:08:21 PM »

     The prosecution's case for impeachment cannot be proven to a satisfactory extent at this time, so no.

Yes, but that was perfectly clear before the election and the american people still elected him. I don't think that is grounds for impeachment.

No the people rejected Trump but the electoral college denied them their voice. Stop repeating trumpist talking points meant to legitimize him.

     I didn't know the truth was a Trumpist talking point. Trump won according to the rules of scoring that were clearly defined ahead of time and that everyone operated under. You are free to promote a change to those rules, but to pretend that they are somehow illegitimate because they did not produce the outcome you wanted is ludicrous. Had the roles been reversed and Clinton lost the PV but won the EV, would you be complaining that the people were denied their voice? Somehow I doubt it.
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Associate Justice PiT
PiT (The Physicist)
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2017, 03:55:36 PM »

    The prosecution's case for impeachment cannot be proven to a satisfactory extent at this time, so no.

Yes, but that was perfectly clear before the election and the american people still elected him. I don't think that is grounds for impeachment.

No the people rejected Trump but the electoral college denied them their voice. Stop repeating trumpist talking points meant to legitimize him.

     I didn't know the truth was a Trumpist talking point. Trump won according to the rules of scoring that were clearly defined ahead of time and that everyone operated under. You are free to promote a change to those rules, but to pretend that they are somehow illegitimate because they did not produce the outcome you wanted is ludicrous. Had the roles been reversed and Clinton lost the PV but won the EV, would you be complaining that the people were denied their voice? Somehow I doubt it.

Come on it's painful too see a smart guy like you resort to something so embarrassingly far from the truth, there is simply no way you did not notice my near constant complains against the Connecticut compromise, electoral college, and filibuster.

To clarify my position is that most unrepresentative electoral systems are morally indefensible regardless of how legal they are.

     If I am incorrect in my characterization that you would be happy with the Electoral College were it to deliver Clinton a victory despite losing the PV, then I apologize. I have not noticed your other posts on the matter.

     As I said, you are welcome to want to change the Electoral College. I don't see anything immoral per se with an electoral system that can deliver results different from the PV, but I can agree that our system is based off of an outdated conception of the Republic and the originalist argument that one could offer does not make sense today (which has led to a wide variety of other, more modern arguments being made in favor of it). However, illegitimacy would seem to imply to me that a law can be ignored, and you or I can no more ignore the Electoral College than we can ignore gravity. If that is not what you meant to imply, then we can just put this down to semantic differences.
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