Opinion of Germany's ban on Nazi imagery

[Unapologetic Chinaperson]

Considering the controversy over Confederate and Nazi symbolism that was reignited by Charlottesville, what does Atlas think about Germany's ban on Nazi imagery? Is Confederate imagery similar enough to Nazi imagery to also be restricted, or do the historical and legal contexts differ enough that they're not similar cases at all?

For reference, here's the text of the law:

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[RFayette]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

[Wakie77]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

[Mr. Reactionary]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

Europeans dont believe in individual rights like we do here.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

Europeans dont believe in individual rights like we do here.

Americans are lucky never to experience what Europe had in the 40s.

[Kingpoleon]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

Europeans dont believe in individual rights like we do here.

Americans are lucky never to experience what Europe had in the 40s.

The old are sicker than the young. That surprises you?

[AtorBoltox]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

Europeans dont believe in individual rights like we do here.

Where do you get this crap from?

[RFayette]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

The 1st Amendment

[Tender Branson]

Appropriate for Germany and Austria, not the United States.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

Europeans dont believe in individual rights like we do here.

Where do you get this crap from?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

Europeans dont believe in individual rights like we do here.

Where do you get this crap from?

The right to parade down the street in the SA uniform is the limitus test for individual rights.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Glossing over the monarchies, here are a few examples:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/07/europes-freedom-of-speech-fail/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/why-the-european-plan-to-ban-porn-is-a-bad-idea-4ae40a3c6426/amp/

 http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/03/21/394273902/on-libel-and-the-law-u-s-and-u-k-go-separate-ways

 http://www.nraila.org/articles/20170317/european-parliament-passes-stringent-new-gun-controls

 http://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2017/6/9/europe-more-gun-control-more-terrorism/

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410150/Schoolgirl-arrested-refusing-study-non-English-pupils.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/07/europe/china-tourists-nazi-salute/index.html

http://www.publicseminar.org/2014/05/banning-the-minarets-in-switzerland/#.WalpMvcpDqA

 http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/veiled-vote_burka-ban-approved-in-italian-speaking-switzerland/36951992

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.fr/20151012/france-burqa-ban-five-years-on-we-create-a-monster/amp

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/19/extreme-surveillance-becomes-uk-law-with-barely-a-whimper

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/493919/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/25/cyprus-bailout-deal-eu-closes-bank

 https://www.google.com/amp/www.euronews.com/amp/2016/04/15/conditions-in-some-eu-prisons-alarming-human-rights-group

 http://www.dailywire.com/news/19204/health-rationing-england-obese-and-smokers-banned-hank-berrien

 https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/22/in-some-european-countries-church-membership-means-paying-more-taxes/%3famp=1

 https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01/08/france-upholds-law-singling-out-holocaust-denial-as-crime.amp.html

 https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/in-liberal-europe-abortion-laws-come-with-their-own-restrictions/278350/

 http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/24/german-court-asked-to-ban-national-democratic-part/

 https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/innocent-until-proven-guilty-not-under-the-eu-s-justice-system-8931215.html%3famp

[Wakie77]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

The 1st Amendment

So you are saying that if the Holocaust had happened in 1940's America you would favor a statue of the American equivalents of Erwin Rommel and Adolf Hitler being in front of the local courthouse?

[DavidB.]

Appropriate for Germany and Austria, not the United States.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I don't really agree with it, but I don't particularly care either.

[RFayette]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

The 1st Amendment

So you are saying that if the Holocaust had happened in 1940's America you would favor a statue of the American equivalents of Erwin Rommel and Adolf Hitler being in front of the local courthouse?

No, but I think it's safe to say that we would have seriously re-evaluated our entire governmental system if that had happened in the USA, just as we had the 13th-15th amendments as well as a different understanding of the relationship between the nation and the states after the Civil War.

[Wakie77]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

The 1st Amendment

So you are saying that if the Holocaust had happened in 1940's America you would favor a statue of the American equivalents of Erwin Rommel and Adolf Hitler being in front of the local courthouse?

No, but I think it's safe to say that we would have seriously re-evaluated our entire governmental system if that had happened in the USA, just as we had the 13th-15th amendments as well as a different understanding of the relationship between the nation and the states after the Civil War.

So are you failing to understand that Robert E Lee and Erwin Rommel are morally equivalent?

[America Needs R'hllor]

Appropriate for Germany and Austria and Israel, not the United States.

[RINO Tom]

Appropriate for Germany and Austria and Israel, not the United States.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

The 1st Amendment

So you are saying that if the Holocaust had happened in 1940's America you would favor a statue of the American equivalents of Erwin Rommel and Adolf Hitler being in front of the local courthouse?

No, but I think it's safe to say that we would have seriously re-evaluated our entire governmental system if that had happened in the USA, just as we had the 13th-15th amendments as well as a different understanding of the relationship between the nation and the states after the Civil War.

So are you failing to understand that Robert E Lee and Erwin Rommel are morally equivalent?

Lol.

[Wakie77]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

The 1st Amendment

So you are saying that if the Holocaust had happened in 1940's America you would favor a statue of the American equivalents of Erwin Rommel and Adolf Hitler being in front of the local courthouse?

No, but I think it's safe to say that we would have seriously re-evaluated our entire governmental system if that had happened in the USA, just as we had the 13th-15th amendments as well as a different understanding of the relationship between the nation and the states after the Civil War.

So are you failing to understand that Robert E Lee and Erwin Rommel are morally equivalent?

Lol.

Both men were excellent generals who were much loved by their soldiers.  Both men served governments with which they had misgivings and concerns but to which they felt a sense of moral obligation.  But men were serving regimes that were built on the blood and genocide of a people (Confederate defenders can look up the Cornerstone speech if they think the Confederacy was based on something else).

In the end, Rommel actually tried to remove the root cause of his country's madness whereas Lee served it until the bitter end.  Can anyone really justify why we should have statues that praise him?  We don't have statues praising Benedict Arnold.

[Gass3268]

Freedom Ban

One of the Reconstruction Constitutional Amendments should have done the same with Confederate imagery.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Acting like having a policy like this in Germany 1950 as being the same as in the US 2017 is always pretty absurd and a frustrating thing whenever its discussed.

I'll admit that Germany 2017 is closer to the US 2017 though.

[dead0man]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

What's the difference?

Europeans dont believe in individual rights like we do here.

Where do you get this crap from?

From the laws of the various countries and the attitudes of the citizens.  I'm shocked you guys are surprised by this.

[catographer]

Appropriate for Germany, not the United States

Upvote lol