1 Payer Megathread - Sanders discusses on MTP - Likely to run as Indy in 2018

[Shadows]

GOP Senator Drowned Out By Cheers for 'Single Payer' at Town Hall


When Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) took the stage at a scheduled town hall on Tuesday in Greeley, Colorado, he apparently didn't expect to be confronted by a crowd full of enthusiastic supporters of single-payer healthcare.

At one point during the discussion, Gardner asked how many in the audience supported single-payer healthcare. An "overwhelming majority in the high school auditorium raised their hands," reports Colorado Public Radio. Gardner responded defiantly, saying: "I do not support single-payer, I do not support socialized medicine." A recent Associated Press/NORC poll found that 62 percent of Americans believe it is "the federal government's responsibility to make sure that all Americans have healthcare coverage."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/08/16/gop-senator-drowned-out-cheers-single-payer-town-hal

[Shadows]

Bernie Sanders to join Conyers for town hall in Detroit

Sen. Bernie Sanders, the former Democratic presidential candidate, will join U.S. Rep. John Conyers Jr. for a town hall meeting in Detroit next week to discuss healthcare and jobs.

A single-payer health care system is likely to be on the agenda. It was at the core of the Vermont independent’s 2016 campaign, and Conyers, the Detroit Democrat, has introduced Medicare-for-all legislation every Congress since 2003. The town hall is planned for 7 p.m. Tuesday at Fellowship Chapel Church, 7707 W. Outer Drive in Detroit. Doors open at 5:30 p.m. and admission is “first come, first served.”

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2017/08/16/bernie-sanders-john-conyers-detroit-town-hall/104665602/

[Shadows]

A new survey says doctors are warming up to single-payer health care

Fifty-six percent of doctors registered either strong support or were somewhat supportive of a single-payer health system, according to the survey by Merritt Hawkins, a physician recruitment firm. In its 2008 survey, opinions ran the opposite way — 58 percent opposed single-payer. What’s changed?

Red tape, doctors tell Merritt Hawkins. Phillip Miller, the firm’s vice president of communications, said that in the thousands of conversations its employees have with doctors each year, physicians often say they are tired of dealing with billing and paperwork, which takes time away from patients.“Physicians long for the relative clarity and simplicity of single-payer. In their minds, it would create less distractions, taking care of patients — not reimbursement,” Miller said.

Schroeder has taught medicine at the University of California-San Francisco Medical Center since 1971 and has noticed students’ increasing support for a single-payer system, an attitude they likely carry into their professional careers. “Most of the medical students here don’t understand why the rest of the country doesn’t support it,” said Schroeder.

https://www.statnews.com/2017/08/17/doctors-single-payer/

[BlueSwan]

Single payer universal health care is the only way forward - something which every western nation except the US realized decades ago. I hope that very soon every hopeful democratic candidate will have it on his or her agenda. It should be a litmus test, really.

[Shadows]

“Is anybody taping me right now? OK, so, you may have heard that Nancy [Pelosi] is not for it, but that’s not really true,” Ellison said. “Nancy has to represent a very diverse caucus. She does not like getting out ahead of the caucus too fast. So she’s trying to get, she’s, you know, you know, she actually likes the concept.”

“She’s trying to get, you know, you know, she actually likes the concept. She says it’s the best way to do it. She says it’s the cheapest way to do it, but she’s got to make sure that she brings our Blue Dog friends along,” Ellison added. “And by the way, for any of us progressives who get mad at the Blue Dogs, if we didn’t have them, some of them would be replaced by Republicans.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/21/exclusive-keith-ellison-reveals-nancy-pelosis-real-views-on-single-payer-video/

[Kamala]

Okay, shadows, will you stop demonizing Pelosi now?

[Shadows]

Okay, shadows, will you stop demonizing Pelosi now?

I have never demonized Pelosi. I thought she was great speaker & has taken a lot of hit. However, she is a poor leader, poor speaker, her approvals are terrible & she drags down Congressional candidates. It is time for her to go however I prefer her over Hoyer or Clyburn. I think Schumer who is another neo liberal is smarter than her & more attuned to ground realities.

But I have always like Speaker Pelosi. Obama would have got nothing done, including the ACA if not for Pelosi.

[Shadows]

Sanders to unveil 'Medicare for all' bill on Wednesday

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) will unveil his “Medicare for all” bill on Wednesday, his office announced Friday. The advisory from his office says that Sanders will be joined by Senate co-sponsors, though does not list who they are. He will also be joined by “medical professionals, business leaders, and patients.”

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349830-sanders-to-unveil-medicare-for-all-bill-on-wednesday

[Shadows]

Affordable Care Act Architect Flips on Single-Payer: ‘The Time Has Come’

In the summer of 2009, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. was asked if Max Baucus, the Democratic chairman of the powerful Senate Finance Committee who was taking the lead on health care reform at the time, was open to his ideas. "To a single-payer idea? No. Not in a million years," Sanders replied to a C-SPAN interviewer. "I just think the time has come," Baucus told NBC News Friday, after stunning healthcare observers earlier in the day by seemingly coming around on single-payer at a public forum. "Back in '09, we were not ready to address it. It would never have passed. Here we are nine years later, I think it's time to hopefully have a very serious good faith look at it."

"I started out by saying everything is on the table," Baucus recalled. "But I did make an exception and that was single-payer. I said, nope, we're not going to put single-payer on the table. Why? In my judgement, America was just not there ... It's branded as socialistic by too many people." On Wednesday, Baucus' fellow Montanan, moderate Democratic Sen. Jon Tester, who is facing a tough reelection bid next year, said it might be time to "take a solid look at" single-payer.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sanders-steps-push-single-payer-health-care-old-foe-switches-n799911

[Lord Admirale]

Jesus Christ you're annoying with your 10 billion threads

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Everyone knows what I think about Single Payer, and socialism in general. But I join the call for Shadows to stop this useless crusade against Pelosi.

[Blue3]

I swear someone already made one (a thread for single-payer) back in the spring.

[Shadows]

This was the only Single-payer thread which I created long back & am using. I also created a HR676 thread, House bill long back. But this is a Mega thread to manage all Single Payer related talk.

And why the f*** are people making stupid statements over here? There should be some minimum IQ requirements for post, so that people like BlueDog don't post here - Don't post if you don't like the thread. And Wulfric, I would like to see Pelosi as speaker again (especially when the alternate is people like Hoyer & Clyburn) but she is a poor leader in general (& I liked what Pelosi was as a speaker back in the Bush & Obama days).

Anyways -

Sheldon Whitehouse to co-sponsor Bernie's Medicare for all bill.

Sheldon Whitehouse will cosponsor the “Medicare for All” single-payer health insurance bill that Bernie Sanders is introducing next week. “Senator Whitehouse intends to cosponsor this bill to move the conversation forward on single-payer health care,” spokeswoman Meaghan McCabe told me Friday night.

http://wpri.com/2017/09/09/nesis-notes-sept-9/

[Kingpoleon]

Single payer universal health care is the only way forward - something which every western nation except the US realized decades ago. I hope that very soon every hopeful democratic candidate will have it on his or her agenda. It should be a litmus test, really.

Really? How many Western countries have single payer? Not most.

[Gass3268]

Anyone have a full list of Senate co-sponsors? There are 117 in the House.

[publicunofficial]

Very good article that's a rebuttal to the "Single payer isn't the only option" folks: Yes, I'm Sure I Want Single Payer

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Single payer universal health care is the only way forward - something which every western nation except the US realized decades ago. I hope that very soon every hopeful democratic candidate will have it on his or her agenda. It should be a litmus test, really.

Really? How many Western countries have single payer? Not most.

Single-Payer, in its purest sense, is complete and total government health care, to the point that Private Insurance is completely non-existent. Very few countries have this - even most systems that are advertised as "Single Payer" have private insurance for specialized services, or accelerated speed of care, or something. However, most countries do have something to the left of ObamaCare.

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While Single-Payer is the wrong solution for any capitalist country, I would be willing to support a public option, provided it has to compete alongside private plans, and does not add to the deficit.

[Shadows]

Single payer universal health care is the only way forward - something which every western nation except the US realized decades ago. I hope that very soon every hopeful democratic candidate will have it on his or her agenda. It should be a litmus test, really.

Really? How many Western countries have single payer? Not most.

It is the only form which is not unconstitutional in the US & can be universal. All other forms are unconstitutional if universal. Germany has a Single payer within the multi-payer framework which is like 80-85% of it.

Single payer universal health care is the only way forward - something which every western nation except the US realized decades ago. I hope that very soon every hopeful democratic candidate will have it on his or her agenda. It should be a litmus test, really.

Really? How many Western countries have single payer? Not most.

Single-Payer, in its purest sense, is complete and total government health care, to the point that Private Insurance is completely non-existent. Very few countries have this - even most systems that are advertised as "Single Payer" have private insurance for specialized services, or accelerated speed of care, or something. However, most countries do have something to the left of ObamaCare.

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While Single-Payer is the wrong solution for any capitalist country, I would be willing to support a public option, provided it has to compete alongside private plans, and does not add to the deficit.

Wulfric - There is no capitalist solution for healthcare & has never been in any civilized country. Forget the fact that you shouldn't be able to make money & price gouge sick patients, but like national security, defense, democracy, healthcare is one area where capitalism has failed everywhere.

Besides Public Option is still a failure. Like Medicaid expansion, it could be made optional depending on what the courts rule. But even if it is, it is not the solution. Most people don't buy healthcare from the exchange. It doesn't do much good to the 28-30M who have no health insurance. And it lowers premiums very marginally for the ones suffering from high premiums (Most studies show Public option lowers premiums only marginally). And it doesn't address most of the major ACA problems. You need a massive riskpool to drive down premiums. There is no incentive for young & healthy people to buy insurance.

To argue Single payer is anti-capitalism is ridiculous for 2 reasons. Capitalism in the pure form died a 100 years back with the great depression. Minimum Wage is the most anti-capitalism, anti-free market idea, even more than Single Payer & destroys the so-called free labour market. Neither is Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security or Food Stamps capitalist ideas. So you have to oppose everyone of these programs if you want to oppose Single Payer for supporting Capitalism.

Secondly, how can you support ACA with a Public Option if you support Capitalism. No country puts such massive healthcare costs to businesses, prevents them from growing & puts them at a huge cost disadvantage internationally. The current ACA model is thus anti-capitalist & anti-businesses. So, you should also oppose the ACA & especially the pre-existing conditions clause as well if you want to support Capitalism

[Green Line]

Nope.  Can't afford it.

[Lord Admirale]

There should be some minimum IQ requirements for post, so that people like BlueDog don't post here - Don't post if you don't like the thread.

If there was a minimum IQ requirement to post here, you wouldn't have access to this website.

[Kamala]

I want to be against single payer because shadows is for it, but I want to be for single payer because Wulfric is against it. Decisions, decisions.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Shadows: Good Capitalism comes with reasonable regulation, and Yes, I believe that making sure health insurance companies can't let someone die because they have cancer is a reasonable regulation. As far as young people not signing up for insurance, that is fixed by changing the individual mandate so that the fine is more expensive than any health care plan on the market.

If what I'm expressing isn't pure capitalism, then it isn't pure capitalism. What I stand firm against is policy that destroys an entire industry - single payer destroys or makes irrevelant the entire private health insurance industry, for everyone.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I want to be against single payer because shadows is for it, but I want to be for single payer because Wulfric is against it. Decisions, decisions.

Maybe you should make decisions based on whether the policy is good, not based on who supports it or opposes it.

[Kamala]

I want to be against single payer because shadows is for it, but I want to be for single payer because Wulfric is against it. Decisions, decisions.

Maybe you should make decisions based on whether the policy is good, not based on who supports it or opposes it.

Maybe you should learn what sarcasm is, not instantly think the person joking is an idiot.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I want to be against single payer because shadows is for it, but I want to be for single payer because Wulfric is against it. Decisions, decisions.

Maybe you should make decisions based on whether the policy is good, not based on who supports it or opposes it.

Maybe you should learn what sarcasm is, not instantly think the person joking is an idiot.

Telling Sarcasm on an online forum is guesswork, so I take things seriously unless it's super obvious it's not.