Opinion of Complementarianism

[TDAS04]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementarianism

My opinion is quite negative. 

[SNJ1985]

Positive.

[The Govanah Jake]

Negative. I prefer the egalitarianism position instead in regards to gender roles. Women and Men should hold the same equality of opportunity in regards of social and business affairs. 

[DC Al Fine]

Positive

[libertpaulian]

It's mostly a modern American evangelical invention.  Even your most traditional Catholics and Orthodox probably wouldn't subscribe to it.

[Mr. Smith]

Positive.

[Small L]

It's mostly a modern American evangelical invention.  Even your most traditional Catholics and Orthodox probably wouldn't subscribe to it.

Catholic and Orthodox views on gender roles definitely fall under the umbrella of complementarianism. It may not be exactly the same as protestant conceptions, but the all male priesthood is pretty much always defended with complimentarian arguments.

I do get what you're saying though. If you think of it as a spectrum, Catholic teaching is in certain ways closer to egalitarianism than American evangelical flavors of complementarianism.

[libertpaulian]

It's mostly a modern American evangelical invention.  Even your most traditional Catholics and Orthodox probably wouldn't subscribe to it.

Catholic and Orthodox views on gender roles definitely fall under the umbrella of complementarianism. It may not be exactly the same as protestant conceptions, but the all male priesthood is pretty much always defended with complimentarian arguments.

I do get what you're saying though. If you think of it as a spectrum, Catholic teaching is in certain ways closer to egalitarianism than American evangelical flavors of complementarianism.

I think the gender requirement for ordination of clergy is the only issue where the Cathodox would agree with American evangelicals.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Not only negative, it's a litmus test for me. I'd never be a part of any church that subscribes to it on any level.

It's mostly a modern American evangelical invention.  Even your most traditional Catholics and Orthodox probably wouldn't subscribe to it.

Catholic and Orthodox views on gender roles definitely fall under the umbrella of complementarianism. It may not be exactly the same as protestant conceptions, but the all male priesthood is pretty much always defended with complimentarian arguments.

I do get what you're saying though. If you think of it as a spectrum, Catholic teaching is in certain ways closer to egalitarianism than American evangelical flavors of complementarianism.

I think the gender requirement for ordination of clergy is the only issue where the Cathodox would agree with American evangelicals.

...so aka the most important part.

Also it's pretty misleading to say just "American evangelicals" here seeing as how many are NOT complementarians. Even some pretty conservative evangelical denominations have female pastors, especially amongst Pentecostals.

[DC Al Fine]

Not only negative, it's a litmus test for me. I'd never be a part of any church that subscribes to it on any level.

It's mostly a modern American evangelical invention.  Even your most traditional Catholics and Orthodox probably wouldn't subscribe to it.

Catholic and Orthodox views on gender roles definitely fall under the umbrella of complementarianism. It may not be exactly the same as protestant conceptions, but the all male priesthood is pretty much always defended with complimentarian arguments.

I do get what you're saying though. If you think of it as a spectrum, Catholic teaching is in certain ways closer to egalitarianism than American evangelical flavors of complementarianism.

I think the gender requirement for ordination of clergy is the only issue where the Cathodox would agree with American evangelicals.

...so aka the most important part.

Also it's pretty misleading to say just "American evangelicals" here seeing as how many are NOT complementarians. Even some pretty conservative evangelical denominations have female pastors, especially amongst Pentecostals.

You illustrate how overly broad the media definition of "Evangelical" is. You, JCL, and I are all technically Evangelicals, but we believe some pretty divergent stuff. At minimum Pentecostal ought to be considered its own branch of Protestantism, like Mainline or Evangelical.

[TDAS04]

Not only negative, it's a litmus test for me. I'd never be a part of any church that subscribes to it on any level.

It's mostly a modern American evangelical invention.  Even your most traditional Catholics and Orthodox probably wouldn't subscribe to it.

Catholic and Orthodox views on gender roles definitely fall under the umbrella of complementarianism. It may not be exactly the same as protestant conceptions, but the all male priesthood is pretty much always defended with complimentarian arguments.

I do get what you're saying though. If you think of it as a spectrum, Catholic teaching is in certain ways closer to egalitarianism than American evangelical flavors of complementarianism.

I think the gender requirement for ordination of clergy is the only issue where the Cathodox would agree with American evangelicals.

...so aka the most important part.

Also it's pretty misleading to say just "American evangelicals" here seeing as how many are NOT complementarians. Even some pretty conservative evangelical denominations have female pastors, especially amongst Pentecostals.

You illustrate how overly broad the media definition of "Evangelical" is. You, JCL, and I are all technically Evangelicals, but we believe some pretty divergent stuff. At minimum Pentecostal ought to be considered its own branch of Protestantism, like Mainline or Evangelical.

Do you also consider yourself Mainline?  IIRC, you're a (staunchly conservative) Presbyterian, which would make you a conservative Mainline Protestant, wouldn't it?

[afleitch]

Patriarchal religious bullsh**t.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Not Christ-like.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Completely negative.  Complementarianism is sexism with a smiley face.  It claims to be egalitarian, but is merely patriarchy by another name.

While we're on the subject, allow me to say that I consider myself a feminist, and precisely because I am a Christian.  The Bible says that men and women are equal and both created in the spiritual image of God.  Most of the "biblical" views of womanhood are not actually found in the Bible.  (The Bible never says, for instance, that women should not work outside the home or should be the primary caregivers for children.)

[Mr. Reactionary]

One of the areas I break from the Southern Baptist Convention is on female priesthood.

[libertpaulian]

One of the areas I break from the Southern Baptist Convention is on female priesthood.

The Cooperative Baptist Fellowship is --->>>>>that way.

Trust me, the SBC isn't budging on this issue anytime soon.  If anything, it's moving farther to the right, especially as the Calvinists further their takeover.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Not only negative, it's a litmus test for me. I'd never be a part of any church that subscribes to it on any level.

It's mostly a modern American evangelical invention.  Even your most traditional Catholics and Orthodox probably wouldn't subscribe to it.

Catholic and Orthodox views on gender roles definitely fall under the umbrella of complementarianism. It may not be exactly the same as protestant conceptions, but the all male priesthood is pretty much always defended with complimentarian arguments.

I do get what you're saying though. If you think of it as a spectrum, Catholic teaching is in certain ways closer to egalitarianism than American evangelical flavors of complementarianism.

I think the gender requirement for ordination of clergy is the only issue where the Cathodox would agree with American evangelicals.

...so aka the most important part.

Also it's pretty misleading to say just "American evangelicals" here seeing as how many are NOT complementarians. Even some pretty conservative evangelical denominations have female pastors, especially amongst Pentecostals.

You illustrate how overly broad the media definition of "Evangelical" is. You, JCL, and I are all technically Evangelicals, but we believe some pretty divergent stuff. At minimum Pentecostal ought to be considered its own branch of Protestantism, like Mainline or Evangelical.

Gee, it's almost like that trying to classify every Protestant in one of two categories is ineffective and not a good idea or something!

[dead0man]

While I do agree women and men are different and tend to do better and worse at different things, these are just trends.  You can't force individuals into roles they are not good at just because they happen to be born with genitals that tend belong to humans that are better at that those roles. 

Also, nature created these trends, not God.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Patriarchal religious bullsh**t.

Basically this. Complementarianism tries to sound nice but in the end, it's just a way to control and limit the opportunities of women and, to a lesser extent, men. In Judaism, you can see it a lot in the attmpt to frame the terrible modesty requitrments as meant to protect women- "you're a king's daughter, you should be modest". Another example is the frequent saying that Judaism is very respectful of women- because it basically guards them while in secularism they're objectified. This is not respect nor is it "protection", it's pure oppression.

[Greatest I am]

To try to apply universal gender roles to a society of multi-gendered people is quite foolish.

All should follow their bliss and no restrictions should be placed on anyone due to gender.

There are some jobs etc. that have physical requirements, both to the larger and the smaller, that would have to be considered but I can think of no other restriction that should be put.

I admit to a bias on this issue as I have seen more men good at mothering than I have seen women being good at mothering. I am definitely not one of the good male motherers.

I hope those I know are exception and that more mothers out there can do better than men at mothering, given that 50% of all homes today are manned by single women.
 
Regards
DL

[TDAS04]

It's pretty much "man and woman are equal, but man is the head and the final decision rests with him."  In other words, it claims to be about equality, when it clearly is not.
   

[Greatest I am]

It's pretty much "man and woman are equal, but man is the head and the final decision rests with him."  In other words, it claims to be about equality, when it clearly is not.
   

U C 20/20.

Regards
DL

[Figueira]

Negative (normal feminist/SJW)

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

My opinion of the people who said "positive" has plummeted quite dramatically.

[Figueira]

My opinion of the people who said "positive" has plummeted quite dramatically.

I'm very disappointed in MormDem and kind of DC Al Fine. The rest I didn't have high expectations for.