Mattis orders Pentagon to allow transgender troops to serve, pending review.

[Yank2133]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mattis-orders-pentagon-to-allow-transgender-troops-to-continue-serving-pending-study/ar-AAqX5NJ

Temporary, but a good move nonetheless.

BTW, no one in the government respects the CIC authority.

[Matty]

Does this apply to people already serving and prospective service members, or just people already serving?

[Badger]

FF move by Mattis.

[tallguy23]

Does this apply to people already serving and prospective service members, or just people already serving?

From what I understand, it's basically "continue as you were" until the study is concluded. I think transgender medical services are still banned for now though.

[Rookie Yinzer]

In other words, ignore the crazy man upstairs until he forgets about this.

[TDAS04]

Good.

[TheSaint250]

I knew that more power would be given to the generals under Trump, but I didn't think they would become the President.

All in all, this is a good thing that Mattis did. But also, to repeat Marty's question, is this for all transgenders who want to join or just for current servicemen?

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I knew that more power would be given to the generals under Trump, but I didn't think they would become the President.

All in all, this is a good thing that Mattis did. But also, to repeat Marty's question, is this for all transgenders who want to join or just for current servicemen?

The article seems to imply it's just for current servicemen.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

This is a FF decision, but what have we sunk to as a nation that ignoring the direct orders of the Commander-in-Chief is cause for celebration?

[Matty]

This is a FF decision, but what have we sunk to as a nation that ignoring the direct orders of the Commander-in-Chief is cause for celebration?

Upon further reading, it is not quite "ignoring" direct orders.

He ordered they can no longer be admitted.

He left it to Mattis to deal with the ones currently serving, but wanted them discharged

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Trump's Ego won't like this.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

You know Trump has lost almost all of his authority and respect (not that he had much to begin with) when his own cabinet members disobey him.

[Kamala]

You know Trump has lost almost all of his authority and respect (not that he had much to begin with) when his own cabinet members disobey him.

[chanting] PALACE COUP, PALACE COUP [/chanting]

[Cactus Jack]

I can't believe I'm saying this in relation to a man nicknamed Mad Dog, but could we possibly trade Trump for a President Mattis?

[Matty]

You know Trump has lost almost all of his authority and respect (not that he had much to begin with) when his own cabinet members disobey him.

It's a half disobey, haha.

The ban will happen though. It's just delayed until "reports" are done by military leaders in order to add authority to the policy.

[Zioneer]

You know Trump has lost almost all of his authority and respect (not that he had much to begin with) when his own cabinet members disobey him.

It's a half disobey, haha.

The ban will happen though. It's just delayed until "reports" are done by military leaders in order to add authority to the policy.

I get the feeling that the "reports" could take up to a couple of years if they feel like it.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I knew that more power would be given to the generals under Trump, but I didn't think they would become the President.

All in all, this is a good thing that Mattis did. But also, to repeat Marty's question, is this for all transgenders who want to join or just for current servicemen?

The article seems to imply it's just for current servicemen.

Which is completely in line with what Trump's memorandum ordered: No new transgender personnel, and study the issue to see what to do about existing transgenders.

www.lawfareblog.com/tweet-text-president-trump-instates-military-transgender-ban
www.documentcloud.org/documents/3964535-Trump-Transgender-Military-Memo.html

[J. J.]

Does this apply to people already serving and prospective service members, or just people already serving?

We don't know yet.

I can understand not wanting to pay for the process, but once it has been paid for, I don't see a problem.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Trump's Ego won't like this.

Not one bit, but Mattis is untouchable.

[GeorgiaModerate]

You know Trump has lost almost all of his authority and respect (not that he had much to begin with) when his own cabinet members disobey him.

It's a half disobey, haha.

The ban will happen though. It's just delayed until "reports" are done by military leaders in order to add authority to the policy.

I get the feeling that the "reports" could take up to a couple of years if they feel like it.

In the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the Vogon bureaucrats never do anything without forms that have been signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.

[Badger]

You know Trump has lost almost all of his authority and respect (not that he had much to begin with) when his own cabinet members disobey him.

It's a half disobey, haha.

The ban will happen though. It's just delayed until "reports" are done by military leaders in order to add authority to the policy.

I get the feeling that the "reports" could take up to a couple of years if they feel like it.

In the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the Vogon bureaucrats never do anything without forms that have been signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.

About this. Considering that Trump was later found to be lying, shocking oh that may seem, about the military brass having been consulted and supported the band, it turns out that the brass not only didn't support it but actually opposed it. Maddis will almost surely choose this option of delay and obstruction to avoid disrupting the various branches duties and work of qualified personnel brighter than actually implementing a strict and Speedy implementation of Trumps political hack wishes.

[emailking]

This is a FF decision, but what have we sunk to as a nation that ignoring the direct orders of the Commander-in-Chief is cause for celebration?

The article says "The president issued that notification Friday night. It directed Mattis to study the issue and determine how to implement Trump's direction." So it looks like he's doing what he was ordered to do.

You know Trump has lost almost all of his authority and respect (not that he had much to begin with) when his own cabinet members disobey him.

It's a half disobey, haha.

I don't see how it's even that?

[MasterJedi]

This is a FF decision, but what have we sunk to as a nation that ignoring the direct orders of the Commander-in-Chief is cause for celebration?

Yes, better than saying "I was just following orders".

[SNJ1985]

Why does the President allow so many saboteurs to remain part of his administration while removing loyal allies? There is way too much globalist/establishment influence in this administration.

[MasterJedi]

Why does the President allow so many saboteurs to remain part of his administration while removing loyal allies? There is way too much globalist/establishment influence in this administration.

Trump is a billionaire. By definition, he is quite literally a part of the "globalist establishment".

Besides that, if he fired everyone that leaked and wasn't a loyal ally it would be him and his family and nobody else with no one in any other governmental position.