Democrats: Draft Joe Hoeffel or not?

[TeePee4Prez]

As you all may know I am a huge Joe Hoeffel supporter and glad he was my Congressman.  I think there should be a Hoeffel/Casey primary.  The reason I say so is there will be a boost of name recognition for both candidates and greater media attention.  Look Casey is a weak debater and fundraiser.  He is a name- THAT'S IT!  I could see him fizzling out or getting weak support from the Philly suburbs.  Joe Hoeffel will have none of these handicaps.  I am inclined to say let the Democrats in the state of Pennsylvania have the choice between two excellent candidates (albeit one a namesake) and this will allow the voters which direction we want to take the party.  I think both Joe Hoeffel or Bob Casey would benefit greatly from such a contest.  I would like to know what other Democrats think after reading what I just posted.

[TeePee4Prez]

I would also encourage Chuck Pennacchio to drop out of this race and take on a more local role in helping the much badly damaged Bucks County Democrats.

[Alcon]

We have a candidate, leave him alone.  He's doing fine so far.

[TeePee4Prez]

We have a candidate, leave him alone.  He's doing fine so far.

Did u read my post?  Casey can fade and we need money to take on the Rove machine who I think can maim Casey quite badly.

[Alcon]

We have a candidate, leave him alone.  He's doing fine so far.

Did u read my post?  Casey can fade and we need money to take on the Rove machine who I think can maim Casey quite badly.

Yes, but Joe Hoeffel is far too liberal and switching horses in the middle of the race seems wishy-washy.  We'd go from winning so far to dangerously behind, even before the Rove machine.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I support Casey. He's leading in the polls, and he seems to have some spine.

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Today must be spine day for the Democratic party. The mayor of Salt Lake City, Utah called for an anti-Bush protest.

[TeePee4Prez]

We have a candidate, leave him alone.  He's doing fine so far.

Did u read my post?  Casey can fade and we need money to take on the Rove machine who I think can maim Casey quite badly.

Yes, but Joe Hoeffel is far too liberal and switching horses in the middle of the race seems wishy-washy.  We'd go from winning so far to dangerously behind, even before the Rove machine.

Joe Hoeffel is a few ticks to the right of me on social issues.  I'd say about a -3E/-5S, so he really isn't all that bad.  Primary entrants is not wishy-washy.  To counter the Rove machine we need money and a good debater.  Casey is struggling there and it's scaring me.  The race has not begun and the Rove machine is no joke- see Max Cleland.  Also see Debbie Stabenow who overcame Spencer Abraham from 17 points behind with 6 weeks left.  Also note that Michigan and Pennsylvania are very similar poltically in fact the Philly suburbs which is both vote and money rich is much more socially liberal that Detroit's suburbs.  I think the choice issue may bite us in the ass.

[Max Power]

Hey, Flyers, why don't you start a petition like I did?

[TeePee4Prez]

Hey, Flyers, why don't you start a petition like I did?

Good idea

[Max Power]

Hey, Flyers, why don't you start a petition like I did?

Good idea

Here's the website I use:
http://www.petitionspot.com/

Just don't use petition online. Every time I try to start a petition there, they reject it.

[PADem]

Flyers.... What are you thinking?

Right now our focus should be booting Santorum out of office. I don't care who our candidate is as long as he's not a whack...

Casey is our best chance at picking this seat up so why run someone who won't have half as much of a chance at winning.

[TeePee4Prez]

Flyers.... What are you thinking?

Right now our focus should be booting Santorum out of office. I don't care who our candidate is as long as he's not a whack...

Casey is our best chance at picking this seat up so why run someone who won't have half as much of a chance at winning.

Sorry Mr. Blue Dog, I do care about who it is!

[AuH2O]

Unfortunately they took my favorite Lee Corso quip out of NCAA football 2006. But after election day 2006, it will apply to Casey's campaign:

"It looked good early, but got real bad late."

[Max Power]

Unfortunately they took my favorite Lee Corso quip out of NCAA football 2006. But after election day 2006, it will apply to Casey's campaign:

"It looked good early, but got real bad late."

Kind of like your life.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Flyers.... What are you thinking?

Right now our focus should be booting Santorum out of office. I don't care who our candidate is as long as he's not a whack...

Casey is our best chance at picking this seat up so why run someone who won't have half as much of a chance at winning.

Sorry Mr. Blue Dog, I do care about who it is!

Casey has the spine to attack Santorum on the Iraq war.

[PADem]

Flyers.... What are you thinking?

Right now our focus should be booting Santorum out of office. I don't care who our candidate is as long as he's not a whack...

Casey is our best chance at picking this seat up so why run someone who won't have half as much of a chance at winning.

Sorry Mr. Blue Dog, I do care about who it is!

So you'd rather have us run Hoeffel and lose, thus keeping Santorum in office for six more years, than have Casey (who is obviously somewhat more conservative than you, but considerably less than Santorum), run and win by a small to moderate margin?

[Max Power]

Flyers.... What are you thinking?

Right now our focus should be booting Santorum out of office. I don't care who our candidate is as long as he's not a whack...

Casey is our best chance at picking this seat up so why run someone who won't have half as much of a chance at winning.

Sorry Mr. Blue Dog, I do care about who it is!

Casey has the spine to attack Santorum on the Iraq war.

Why thank-you!

[Speed of Sound]

i think he should run against Rendell in the primary. if he focuses his campaign about the pay raise, he could pull it off.

[Jake]

By all means. I was looking forward to a race, but I'll be fine sitting at home doing nothing assured of a Santorum victory.

[Virginian87]

Do you want to win at all?  Then run Bob Casey unopposed.  That's all I can say.

[Ben.]

Flyers.... What are you thinking?

Right now our focus should be booting Santorum out of office. I don't care who our candidate is as long as he's not a whack...

Casey is our best chance at picking this seat up so why run someone who won't have half as much of a chance at winning.

Sorry Mr. Blue Dog, I do care about who it is!

So you’d opt for a failed candidate who’s already proven himself to a weak state-wide candidate against a battered incumbent in a presidential year when the Democrats won the state over a candidate with the highest approval ratings in the state who leads an incumbent senator by over 10 points and appeals not only to the Democratic base but also to ordinary Pennsylvanians who may have previously voted for Santorum.

The Philly suburbs will turnout and vote for Casey for the simple reason he’s not Santorum and can win if nothing else at the same time the Philly area is one area where Rendell at the top of the ballot will draw the Democrats out if Casey doesn’t. While this happens Casey will win in Western PA and probably wrap up a win… Hoeffel would bomb in western PA and is a weak campaigner.

Polls show Casey with 80%+ amongst self identified liberal voters, that’s more than Hoeffel got in 2004 what more Casey beats Santorum amongst groups where Hoeffel would never come close. You fears are completely unfounded; anyone running at 80+ amongst liberal will win Philly handily, and if there beating the Republican candidate amongst married voters then their favoured to win the general election.                 

[Filuwaúrdjan]

In case anyone's interested, Hoeffel managed to lose Lackawanna county in his last Senate run.

[Gabu]

I sometimes wonder why Republicans are doing better than Democrats at the moment.  Then I find topics like this and it becomes clear.

Quite frankly, if Democrats don't quit refusing to support someone unless they're 100% happy with that person, they can kiss ever being the majority party goodbye.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I sometimes wonder why Republicans are doing better than Democrats at the moment.  Then I find topics like this and it becomes clear.

Quite frankly, if Democrats don't quit refusing to support someone unless they're 100% happy with that person, they can kiss ever being the majority party goodbye.

YES BUT ZE CANDIDATE MUST BE IDEOLOGICALLY PURE!!!!!!11111111111111111

[Gabu]

I sometimes wonder why Republicans are doing better than Democrats at the moment.  Then I find topics like this and it becomes clear.

Quite frankly, if Democrats don't quit refusing to support someone unless they're 100% happy with that person, they can kiss ever being the majority party goodbye.

YES BUT ZE CANDIDATE MUST BE IDEOLOGICALLY PURE!!!!!!11111111111111111

That's right, we can't have no uppity pro-life heretics on board.