President Pence vs. Bernie Sanders

[Lord Admirale]

What if President Mike Pence faced Bernie Sanders? With his old age and extreme views, I don't see Sanders fairing that well against Pence. This is how I see the competitive map being:

I really don't see Sen. Sanders fairing well, even against a reactionary like Pence.

Thoughts?

[Dr. Arch]

And Pence isn't extreme? I don't see Bernie having a problem with Wisconsin, much less Minnesota or New Hampshire. Pence is not the kind of candidate who can even try to replicate Trump's weak 2016 coalition.

[Technocracy Timmy]

VERY generous map for Sanders:

Pence win 328-210.

Bernie Sanders is a socialist and that word is more toxic than being a member of the LGBT community or even being a Muslim when it comes to getting elected president. His comments on breadlines, Venezuela, and rape essay all combine to tank his favorables when the American people find out what this guy is about.

It's not a landslide only because of polarization.

[Thunderbird is the word]

Pence is more polarizing. All Democrats would have to do to get turnout through the roof would be to blanket the airwaves with "ex-gay conversion therapy." The socialist label is far less polarizing then a hardcore social conservative in this day and age.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Pence is more polarizing. All Democrats would have to do to get turnout through the roof would be to blanket the airwaves with "ex-gay conversion therapy." The socialist label is far less polarizing then a hardcore social conservative in this day and age.

[Thunderbird is the word]

Can't upload maps right now for some reason but i'm thinking Sanders-Gilliband over Pence-Sandoval with Obama's 2012 map.

[Xing]

Most conditions under which Pence would become President would make it nearly impossible for him to win. He would carry all of Trump's baggage, and some of Trump's supporters would likely stay home with him at the top of the ticket. Bernie would probably win with Obama's 2012 map + NE-02, and maybe AZ/NC, though those are tougher states for him, admittedly, and he might lose Iowa.

[Xing]

Most conditions under which Pence would become President would make it nearly impossible for him to win. He would carry all of Trump's baggage, and some of Trump's supporters would likely stay home with him at the top of the ticket. Bernie would probably win with Obama's 2012 map + NE-02, and maybe AZ/NC, though those are tougher states for him, admittedly, and he might lose Iowa.

I don't see him holding NV, and FL is always unpredictable. I also don't know how OH would do. It would be interesting if there was a centrist independent bid. That could cost either party some states.

NV's competitiveness is overrated (it's at least a Lean D state, IMO), and Bernie would do better in rural NV and probably Washoe than Clinton, and would probably get enough of a margin in Clark to win the state. While FL is more of a question mark, I think his weakness there is somewhat overstated. In the end, most FL Democrats would probably come home for him, and it would come down to turnout, as it always does.

[YE]

Most conditions under which Pence would become President would make it nearly impossible for him to win. He would carry all of Trump's baggage, and some of Trump's supporters would likely stay home with him at the top of the ticket. Bernie would probably win with Obama's 2012 map + NE-02, and maybe AZ/NC, though those are tougher states for him, admittedly, and he might lose Iowa.

I don't see him holding NV, and FL is always unpredictable. I also don't know how OH would do. It would be interesting if there was a centrist independent bid. That could cost either party some states.

NV's competitiveness is overrated (it's at least a Lean D state, IMO), and Bernie would do better in rural NV and probably Washoe than Clinton, and would probably get enough of a margin in Clark to win the state. While FL is more of a question mark, I think his weakness there is somewhat overstated. In the end, most FL Democrats would probably come home for him, and it would come down to turnout, as it always does.

Plus NV has many poorly educated union workers that Sanders is a better fit for than Clinton.

[MM876]

Against Pence is a serious problem for Bernie; Pence's views are extreme but his tone isn't. In a stable or recovering economy, I concur with this

What if President Mike Pence faced Bernie Sanders? With his old age and extreme views, I don't see Sanders fairing that well against Pence. This is how I see the competitive map being:

I really don't see Sen. Sanders fairing well, even against a reactionary like Pence.

Thoughts?

In a recovering economy it's more competitive, but I still give it to Pence.

[BlueSwan]

I think Sanders is unlikely to beat any "acceptable" GOP candidate. The right-wing socialist-scare machine is far too effective for that. Lets not kid ourselves otherwise.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Easy win for Sanders. I honestly don't see why people think a wet noodle like Pence has a chance to legitimately win a presidential election after serving under someone as ungodly unpopular as Trump...

[Liberalrocks]

VERY generous map for Sanders:

Pence win 328-210.

Bernie Sanders is a socialist and that word is more toxic than being a member of the LGBT community or even being a Muslim when it comes to getting elected president. His comments on breadlines, Venezuela, and rape essay all combine to tank his favorables when the American people find out what this guy is about.

It's not a landslide only because of polarization.

Something like this, he proably would get New Hamphire and all of Maine. Colorado and Virginia  would be razor thin if he managed to hold them.

[Tekken_Guy]

Bernie is a lot more popular with Republicans than Pence is with Democrats. And most centrists generally like Democrats more than Republicans.

[Rookie Yinzer]

An embarrassing loss for the Democrats.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

If Sanders can somehow up the millennial turnout in 2020 (The year when the entire generation is eligible to vote) he can win in a landslide. People on here do not understand that America is moving to the left and Pence's social policies are almost medieval.

[BlueSwan]

If Sanders can somehow up the millennial turnout in 2020 (The year when the entire generation is eligible to vote) he can win in a landslide. People on here do not understand that America is moving to the left and Pence's social policies are almost medieval.

Oh, yeah, totally. You wouldn't believe just how FAST America is moving to the left. So fast, infact, that it just elected the most conservative congress in a lifetime as well as the most incompetent right wing populist in history to the presidency. At this sheer pace, there's no doubt that in 2020 we'll see Sanders for president and a left-wing agenda sail through congress.

[publicunofficial]

Pence is a worse candidate than Trump

Bernie is a better candidate than Clinton

[°Leprechaun]

[McGovernForPrez]

If you're gonna go as far as to flip MO you may as well flip MT as well.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

lol at this map. Sanders is more likely to win MT, KS, and the Dakotas than he is South Carolina or Georgia.

[Inmate Trump]

Pence: 273
Sanders: 265

Iowa is the closest state.

[TrumpBritt24]

[McGovernForPrez]

Pence: 273
Sanders: 265

Iowa is the closest state.

How does Sanders flip Iowa but not Ohio or PA? Even if he doesn't win OH, he would still win PA in this scenario.

[Lord Admirale]

No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...