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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2017, 08:51:38 PM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...

wth bro




But yeah you're right.  if I had to predict, takes Romney 2012 + NV + FL + IA + OH + WI(?) to win
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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2017, 10:11:16 PM »

Minnesota, Colorado, and New Jersey would not be a tossup in this scenario.
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2017, 10:46:36 PM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...
Especially when the American public becomes privy to him attending an anti-American rally where cries of "death to Yankees" were heard far and wide. Bolshevik Bernie will get shellacked.
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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2017, 10:55:13 PM »

Minnesota, Colorado, and New Jersey would not be a tossup in this scenario.

Agreed. Pence carries all of these states by 5+ points against Breadlines Bernie.

It's already an enormous stretch to say Sanders would do that much worse than Clinton in two states he beat her in, but losing New Jersey by 5%? Come on.
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2017, 11:06:47 PM »

Minnesota, Colorado, and New Jersey would not be a tossup in this scenario.

Agreed. Pence carries all of these states by 5+ points against Breadlines Bernie.

It's already an enormous stretch to say Sanders would do that much worse than Clinton in two states he beat her in, but losing New Jersey by 5%? Come on.
He's just trolling Bernie bros. It doesn't even deserve a response. I wish he went back to just being a normal intelligent poster though.
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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2017, 11:16:11 PM »

Fixed your map btw

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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2017, 11:42:27 PM »

He's just trolling Bernie bros. It doesn't even deserve a response. I wish he went back to just being a normal intelligent poster though.

Only BernieBros think that opposing Bernie is solely trolling. The anti-Bernie Left is very real and very strong. We won't be silenced as we watch our Party crumble.
I mean some of the stuff you're saying is just intentionally inflammatory. Making every single Bernie thread into a Bernie vs establishment thread is just exhausting.
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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2017, 03:29:02 AM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...

umm ok...
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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2017, 07:54:52 AM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...

umm ok...
Look, if the email scandal could bring down Secretary Clinton, imagine how badly Sanders' scandals and actions would come back to haunt him.
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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2017, 08:39:33 AM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...

umm ok...
Look, if the email scandal could bring down Secretary Clinton, imagine how badly Sanders' scandals and actions would come back to haunt him.
Like what? Burlington College scandal is a nothing sandwich
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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2017, 08:48:35 AM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...

umm ok...
Look, if the email scandal could bring down Secretary Clinton, imagine how badly Sanders' scandals and actions would come back to haunt him.
Like what? Burlington College scandal is a nothing sandwich
The part where his wife committed loan fraud and is under FBI investigation?
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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2017, 09:10:05 AM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...

umm ok...
Look, if the email scandal could bring down Secretary Clinton, imagine how badly Sanders' scandals and actions would come back to haunt him.
Like what? Burlington College scandal is a nothing sandwich
The part where his wife committed loan fraud and is under FBI investigation?
Fake news
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297
https://truthagainstthemachine.com/bogus-sanders-fbi-investigation/
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« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2017, 11:37:45 PM »

Stop with these arguments from ESS smh nobody brought these up in the primaries the people don't care about bernies sense of humor in his 30's they care about their jobs and health care
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« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2017, 11:54:09 PM »

Clinton didn't lose solely due to the email server.... It's because she was perceived as establishment (although her scandals - some real and some fake - helped that perception) in an anti-establishment electorate. I'd say you're thinking it's 1995 still but since I know you're trolling, I won't.

Now on the substance, I think Pence could whip Bernie's ass in the debates and in a good climate for national Republicans, would probably win narrowly. But if the crisis hits, Bernie (or a similar Regan/FDR-esque figure) wins easily.
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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2017, 05:10:21 PM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...

umm ok...
Look, if the email scandal could bring down Secretary Clinton, imagine how badly Sanders' scandals and actions would come back to haunt him.
Like what? Burlington College scandal is a nothing sandwich
The part where his wife committed loan fraud and is under FBI investigation?
Fake news
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297
https://truthagainstthemachine.com/bogus-sanders-fbi-investigation/
You have an actual news source which doesn't support your case and then a nutcase conspiracy paper. Great job.
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2017, 05:11:15 PM »

Stop with these arguments from ESS smh nobody brought these up in the primaries the people don't care about bernies sense of humor in his 30's they care about their jobs and health care
Wow. You've obviously vanquished him with your elonquence.
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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2017, 05:26:21 PM »

A landslide, or as close as we can get in our current system.
Pence wins Non-college educated whites 65-33, college educated whites 60-38, and hispanics 51-47. He loses blacks 85-13, and Asians 68-30. Non-college educated white turnout drops to 54%, College educated to 75%, Black to 45%, Hispanic to 42%, and Asian to 47%. Pence wins 55-43 with 394 electoral votes.
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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2017, 08:31:38 PM »

Clinton didn't lose solely due to the email server.... It's because she was perceived as establishment (although her scandals - some real and some fake - helped that perception) in an anti-establishment electorate. I'd say you're thinking it's 1995 still but since I know you're trolling, I won't.

Now on the substance, I think Pence could whip Bernie's ass in the debates and in a good climate for national Republicans, would probably win narrowly. But if the crisis hits, Bernie (or a similar Regan/FDR-esque figure) wins easily.

Excuse me? The anti establishment Sanders lost by 3.5 million to Clinton and anti establishment Trump lost by 2.8 million to Clinton AND fell short of almost every single GOP Swing state senator AND the House GOP won the popular vote.

"Muh anti-establishment" narrative doesn't work when establishment republicans in swing states and in the House outperform Trump significantly and when Bernie lost the primaries decisively. Seriously why did all of these establishment republicans get respected AND outperformed Trump in the swing states?

Your tone makes it so obvious you are trolling but since other posters seem to have the view you're pretending to have I'll tear this apart. Clinton's PV is irrelevant. We do not elect presidents based on the popular vote, we elect them based on the electoral college. Given that Bernie got 47% of pledged delegates when he started out polling at 3%, and an orange clown buffoon won the GOP primaries, it was obviously an anti-establishment election. The only swing state senator to grossly overpreform was Rob Portman and that's because Strickland imploded and in most cases, the third party vote split towards the GOP.
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« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2017, 12:42:37 PM »
« Edited: September 16, 2017, 12:46:22 PM by Blue Dog Moderate »

Clinton didn't lose solely due to the email server.... It's because she was perceived as establishment (although her scandals - some real and some fake - helped that perception) in an anti-establishment electorate. I'd say you're thinking it's 1995 still but since I know you're trolling, I won't.

Now on the substance, I think Pence could whip Bernie's ass in the debates and in a good climate for national Republicans, would probably win narrowly. But if the crisis hits, Bernie (or a similar Regan/FDR-esque figure) wins easily.

Excuse me? The anti establishment Sanders lost by 3.5 million to Clinton and anti establishment Trump lost by 2.8 million to Clinton AND fell short of almost every single GOP Swing state senator AND the House GOP won the popular vote.

"Muh anti-establishment" narrative doesn't work when establishment republicans in swing states and in the House outperform Trump significantly and when Bernie lost the primaries decisively. Seriously why did all of these establishment republicans get respected AND outperformed Trump in the swing states?

Your tone makes it so obvious you are trolling but since other posters seem to have the view you're pretending to have I'll tear this apart. Clinton's PV is irrelevant. We do not elect presidents based on the popular vote, we elect them based on the electoral college. Given that Bernie got 47% of pledged delegates when he started out polling at 3%, and an orange clown buffoon won the GOP primaries, it was obviously an anti-establishment election. The only swing state senator to grossly overpreform was Rob Portman and that's because Strickland imploded and in most cases, the third party vote split towards the GOP.
If this election was completely anti-establishment, then why did Bernie lose the Democratic primaries to Secretary Clinton? And it certainly wasn't narrow, he lost by millions of votes and nearly a thousand delegates. The Republicans were fed up with the establishment (Tea Party has been pushing that for 6 years), while most Democrats were quite content with the way things were going and threw their support behind Clinton in droves.  
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« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2017, 12:53:52 PM »

Bernie is a lot more popular with Republicans than Pence is with Democrats. And most centrists generally like Democrats more than Republicans.


Republicans will never vote for a communist clown like Bernie Sanders in a general election
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« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2017, 01:50:46 PM »

Clinton didn't lose solely due to the email server.... It's because she was perceived as establishment (although her scandals - some real and some fake - helped that perception) in an anti-establishment electorate. I'd say you're thinking it's 1995 still but since I know you're trolling, I won't.

Now on the substance, I think Pence could whip Bernie's ass in the debates and in a good climate for national Republicans, would probably win narrowly. But if the crisis hits, Bernie (or a similar Regan/FDR-esque figure) wins easily.
Excuse me? The anti establishment Sanders lost by 3.5 million to Clinton and anti establishment Trump lost by 2.8 million to Clinton AND fell short of almost every single GOP Swing state senator AND the House GOP won the popular vote.

"Muh anti-establishment" narrative doesn't work when establishment republicans in swing states and in the House outperform Trump significantly and when Bernie lost the primaries decisively. Seriously why did all of these establishment republicans get respected AND outperformed Trump in the swing states?

Your tone makes it so obvious you are trolling but since other posters seem to have the view you're pretending to have I'll tear this apart. Clinton's PV is irrelevant. We do not elect presidents based on the popular vote, we elect them based on the electoral college. Given that Bernie got 47% of pledged delegates when he started out polling at 3%, and an orange clown buffoon won the GOP primaries, it was obviously an anti-establishment election. The only swing state senator to grossly overpreform was Rob Portman and that's because Strickland imploded and in most cases, the third party vote split towards the GOP.
He got 45.5%, off of 42% of the vote (owing to caucuses).
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« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2017, 08:19:25 PM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country


This would be my map as well.
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