Bernienomics Not Polling Well Among Voters Outside Dem Base

[Frodo]

Nor is villifying Donald Trump, for that matter:

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/13/teflon-trump-democrats-messaging-242607

[publicunofficial]

It's not that the ideas are unpopular, It's that people have no faith in the Pelosi/Schumer/Clinton party to actually do those things in a way that helps people.

[Rookie Yinzer]

These the same pollsters that gave Hillary a 99% chance of winning?

I see this will be the go to whenever polls go against someone's narrative. LOL.

[Devout Centrist]

Why is this article titled 'Teflon Trump' if it doesn't really focus on him?

All of this seems very anecdotal at best.

[Strudelcutie4427]

Well given socialisms track record I can't say I'm surprised

[Shadows]

This is FAKE NEWS. Where are the breakups & crosstabs of the polls with the sample size?

Prioties, the Super PAC was hired by DNC & they did this swing state thing. The overwhelming consensus was that Swing voters supported  Progressive politics, thought Democrats stood for the wealthy, thought Trump spoke for the common man. The Bluedogs themselves commissioned a study which showed Medicareforall & multiple policies being popular. But they chose to only publish the "Not-so-good part" in a selective biased sample.

Unless you can post authentic data with crosstabs & breakups, it is better to not post such FAKE NEWS.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Garbage piece per usual from Politico. A true journalist post polls and facts. Just another smear job on Bernie that Clintonhacks on here will be sure to eat up.

[Kamala]

Doesn't seem to mention Medicare for All, which I would say is the biggest "Bernomics" (whatever that is) policy.

In the end, I would think that firing up the base is more important than appealing to centre-right moderates. We saw that didn't work in 2016, and it screwed the Dems congressionally as well.

[Vosem]

It's not that the ideas are unpopular, It's that people have no faith in the Pelosi/Schumer/Clinton party to actually do those things in a way that helps people.

It's not the ideas that are unpopular, it's implementing them that is? Or that it is the fault of the Democratic Party that has failed to sell the ideas to the public? I fail to see how either distinction would be meaningful.

[TheSaint250]

People hate ridiculous taxation and out of control spending, news at 11.

[Santander]

People hate ridiculous taxation and out of control spending, news at 11.

Most people barely pay any taxes, they just think they do.

(and don't tell me that payroll taxes are actual taxes)

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Atlas has always been under the delusion that conservatism is extreme but that the far-left is electable.

[Yank2133]

It's not that the ideas are unpopular, It's that people have no faith in the Pelosi/Schumer/Clinton party to actually do those things in a way that helps people.

lol

It is always someone else's fault.

[Virginiá]

Hillary's policy proposals all polled very high
Trump's policy proposals mostly polled very low

Who won the election?

Individual policy proposals DON'T win elections. They never have and never will.

This sounds about right. I think some elections can truly be referendums on a specific policy (or policies), but they are usually not like that. Especially midterms, which are almost always referendums on the incumbent president. Like it or love it, mdterm voters aren't going to be won or lost by who has the best policies. Those are, at best, what presidential elections are for.

As for some of what the article said - it wasn't as clear cut as "free college" = bad. A lot of the responses indicated resentment for free college from people who are struggling with student loans, and then you had a portion who resented college in general, and thought of it as elitist and not useful. None of this means the idea of "free college" is bad, but it must be sold the right way with better messaging. Free public higher education is an admirable goal, and it shouldn't be held back by pure resentment. Reducing people's student loan burden would help ease that problem.

publicunofficial had the right take - at best, they were viewed as empty promises, because people don't trust that those promises will be delivered. Although, I argue that it isn't so much to do with Democratic leaders but politicians in general. You have to have some sympathy for people with that argument, especially ones that don't pay much attention to politics - look what has gotten done over the past 6 years. Nothing. Nothing worthy of note to the average joe.

[Coraxion]

Well given socialisms track record I can't say I'm surprised

You don't know what the definition of socialism is.

[DrScholl]

Empty promises is the key word. If voters believe that specific ideas cannot be delivered, they are not going to be excited about them. What will drive the election more than anything is putting a check on Trump.

[TheSaint250]

I like how the gut instinct of every Sanders supporter is to immediately question the credibility of a poll that doesn't correspond with their worldview that 60% of Americans are Berniecrats.

[Blackacre]

I was worried about this.

We need something that's well-thought-out, not a pie in the sky empty promise. The Better Deal, with trust-busting proposals among other things, is far better than this, but as long as Sanders is strong-arming everyone into backing a plan he doesn't even want to be workable, he's dragging the party straight to hell.

[Rookie Yinzer]

These the same pollsters that gave Hillary a 99% chance of winning?

I see this will be the go to whenever polls go against someone's narrative. LOL.

Hillary's policy proposals all polled very high
Trump's policy proposals mostly polled very low

Who won the election?

Individual policy proposals DON'T win elections. They never have and never will.

Because the media had wall to wall coverage focused on Hillary's policies. LOL.

[Mr. Smith]

I was worried about this.

We need something that's well-thought-out, not a pie in the sky empty promise. The Better Deal, with trust-busting proposals among other things, is far better than this, but as long as Sanders is strong-arming everyone into backing a plan he doesn't even want to be workable, he's dragging the party straight to hell.

This was said in 2009 and 2010, the Tea Party won anyway, oops!

Worked with Voodoo Economics in the '70's (now the American Consensus that's just starting to fall), MAGA, "Hope and Change", Enough With Iraq (or whatever they called it in 2006). Whereas the well thought out stuff of 2002 just meant not even 'Nam veterans were safe, Gore, Kerry, and Hillary lost.

[publicunofficial]

You don't need to scan through early post history to guess which posters spent 2002-2013 arguing that civil unions were an acceptable compromise and that legalizing gay marriage too quickly would make moderate voters mad.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

I was worried about this.

We need something that's well-thought-out, not a pie in the sky empty promise. The Better Deal, with trust-busting proposals among other things, is far better than this, but as long as Sanders is strong-arming everyone into backing a plan he doesn't even want to be workable, he's dragging the party straight to hell.

Ridiculous.

[Blackacre]

I was worried about this.

We need something that's well-thought-out, not a pie in the sky empty promise. The Better Deal, with trust-busting proposals among other things, is far better than this, but as long as Sanders is strong-arming everyone into backing a plan he doesn't even want to be workable, he's dragging the party straight to hell.

This was said in 2009 and 2010, the Tea Party won anyway, oops!

Worked with Voodoo Economics in the '70's (now the American Consensus that's just starting to fall), MAGA, "Hope and Change", Enough With Iraq (or whatever they called it in 2006). Whereas the well thought out stuff of 2002 just meant not even 'Nam veterans were safe, Gore, Kerry, and Hillary lost.

Yeah, and look how well those things are working now. The only thing worse than a pie in the sky empty promise that doesn't win an election is the one that does, and screws the nation over. The Tea Party has made the GOP un-governable. If the Dems fall into the same trap then they have no reason to exist.

[Devout Centrist]

Peak Atlas: worrying about a Politico piece

[TheSaint250]

I was worried about this.

We need something that's well-thought-out, not a pie in the sky empty promise. The Better Deal, with trust-busting proposals among other things, is far better than this, but as long as Sanders is strong-arming everyone into backing a plan he doesn't even want to be workable, he's dragging the party straight to hell.

Ridiculous.

Not really.