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« on: August 21, 2022, 06:50:11 AM »

Probably a much bigger group then consistent Jackson through Biden Democrats tbh.
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2022, 11:37:41 AM »

At least 2/3rds of the current GOP and likely higher but more specifically:

Socially conservative rich people
Northern Evangelical Christians (With the small possibility of Bryan)
Southern Unionists
Nationalists (Although possibly not in 1880)
Imperialists
Fiscal Conservatives (Although some might've gone with Cleveland)
Wealthy suburbanites would've fit through 2012, although I imagine some held their nose in 2016 before going towards Biden
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2022, 01:03:11 PM »

Northern businessmen, who have pretty much controlled the part since it's inception.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2022, 04:02:54 PM »

Another common thread worth mentioning is opposition to immigration.

At least 2/3rds of the current GOP and likely higher but more specifically:

I agree with a lot of the groups you listed, but given how important the South is to today's Republican Party, I think 2/3 is a little high. Prior to the Civil War (and especially in 1856) Republicans had essentially no support in the South, and only minimal support in the border states. Those who would become Southern unionists mostly voted for Fillmore in 1856 and for Bell in 1860.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2022, 04:08:18 PM »

Kansans, Nebraskans, and Dakotans.
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2022, 06:26:34 PM »


they would have voted Dem in the 1930s though
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2022, 06:43:12 PM »

Rich Midwestern German Lutherans.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2022, 06:58:24 PM »
« Edited: August 21, 2022, 07:06:40 PM by Skill and Chance »

Non-Southern, non-farm small business owners

What makes this hard is that Fremont was extremely socially liberal for his day.  For the same person to vote for Fremont and then not defect to Teddy Roosevelt, LBJ, Obama, or Biden requires a really strong attachment to Republican economics above all else. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2022, 12:13:08 AM »

What makes this hard is that Fremont was extremely socially liberal for his day.

Of course as one of the chief military strongmen of territorial California he played a large role in encouraging and even personally participating in the systemic genocide of the state's indigenous peoples. He was indeed very progressive on the key issues on which the 1856 election was fought, but still a product of his time in an unfortunate sense that gives a modern observer much cognitive dissonance.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2022, 07:09:24 PM »

Another common thread worth mentioning is opposition to immigration.

At least 2/3rds of the current GOP and likely higher but more specifically:

I agree with a lot of the groups you listed, but given how important the South is to today's Republican Party, I think 2/3 is a little high. Prior to the Civil War (and especially in 1856) Republicans had essentially no support in the South, and only minimal support in the border states. Those who would become Southern unionists mostly voted for Fillmore in 1856 and for Bell in 1860.
That is true, but demographics have changed dramatically since then. Had a rematch hypothetically taken place between then and now, I think there would be less differences than one would think.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2022, 06:05:33 PM »

Someone in Central PA though 1964 may be dicey here
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2022, 08:46:01 PM »

Someone in Central PA though 1964 may be dicey here

1912 is also dicey in Unionist Appalachia because of Teddy.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2022, 09:38:56 PM »
« Edited: August 29, 2022, 09:42:28 PM by 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 »

A few small regions that have been pretty consistently good for Republicans since 1856:

- northern Illinois, around Rockford to the south and east, and then on up north across the border to Walworth Co, WI.

- the area north and west of Columbus: the northeast Miami Valley + Delaware County.

- parts of southeast OH along the Ohio River (ex. Meigs Co.)

Dutch in Michigan have always been fairly strongly Republican going back to the beginning, though for whatever reason McClellan won Ottowa County in 1864, and in 1912 West Michigan preferred TR (himself a follower of the Dutch Reformed tradition).
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2022, 09:46:28 PM »

Weren't several counties in eastern Tennessee/southern Kentucky consistently Republican from 1856/60 to 1960?
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2022, 02:45:33 PM »

Weren't several counties in eastern Tennessee/southern Kentucky consistently Republican from 1856/60 to 1960?

From 1864-present, but Fillmore in '56 and Bell in '60. 
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2022, 03:05:00 PM »

A few small regions that have been pretty consistently good for Republicans since 1856:

- northern Illinois, around Rockford to the south and east, and then on up north across the border to Walworth Co, WI.

- the area north and west of Columbus: the northeast Miami Valley + Delaware County.

- parts of southeast OH along the Ohio River (ex. Meigs Co.)

Dutch in Michigan have always been fairly strongly Republican going back to the beginning, though for whatever reason McClellan won Ottowa County in 1864, and in 1912 West Michigan preferred TR (himself a follower of the Dutch Reformed tradition).

I wonder if Ottowa County suffered a particularly high number of casualties during the civil war which led to a surge in anti-war sentiment.
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2022, 10:09:22 PM »

Too bad Fremont wasn’t on the Missouri ballot; Gasconade County could have had the perfect record.
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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2022, 10:35:15 PM »

Lots of people keep voting for a political party long after it is no longer the best fit for them, because they aren't that politically engaged and that's what they have always done. If someone gained immortality and lived from the 1830s to the present day, they might never break out of their early voting habits.
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2022, 09:57:20 AM »

It would be difficult since the Republicans used to be liberal, and the Democrats used to be conservative.  But I guess if there are old conservative people in the South who still vote Democrat, then the opposite could exist.
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2022, 11:56:20 PM »

It would be difficult since the Republicans used to be liberal, and the Democrats used to be conservative.  But I guess if there are old conservative people in the South who still vote Democrat, then the opposite could exist.
That is an extreme oversimplification of what were and remain pretty amorphous parties.
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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2022, 02:10:49 PM »

Another region that has consistently been pro-Republican is the PA-NY border region known as the Twin tiers. Well, except for in 1912 and 1964, two elections that seem to account for a lot of broken streaks.
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