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« on: September 14, 2017, 06:00:47 PM »

Obviously Himmler's case is well known. He believed he'll convince the Americans they need SS to hold Europe after the war and thus he'll be in perfect position to take over during peacetime. At least, when this illusion fell apart, Himmler came to realize he's screwed and took the easy way out.

Goering believed that due to his status as designated heir, as well as the fact he wasn't officially involved with "those SS swines", he'll be the one taking over with the allies' approval, or, at the very least, will be treated with honors. Didn't work out.

Speer was certain he'll be asked by the allies to help out during reconstruction of Germany and that might be a reason he sabotaged Hitler's scorched earth policy.

But the funniest example was Kaltenbrunner planning to set up and lead a postwar government in Austria.
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2017, 08:38:47 PM »

Obviously Himmler's case is well known. He believed he'll convince the Americans they need SS to hold Europe after the war and thus he'll be in perfect position to take over during peacetime. At least, when this illusion fell apart, Himmler came to realize he's screwed and took the easy way out.

Goering believed that due to his status as designated heir, as well as the fact he wasn't officially involved with "those SS swines", he'll be the one taking over with the allies' approval, or, at the very least, will be treated with honors. Didn't work out.

Speer was certain he'll be asked by the allies to help out during reconstruction of Germany and that might be a reason he sabotaged Hitler's scorched earth policy.

But the funniest example was Kaltenbrunner planning to set up and lead a postwar government in Austria.

Like all murderous thugs, these arch criminals reaped what they sewed.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 12:32:02 AM »
« Edited: September 16, 2017, 12:35:35 AM by Zyzz »

In winter 1945, just months before the war in Europe would end, Hitler was ecstatic at the news of Roosevelts death. He felt that this was a sign of divine providence and there would be a new miracle on the Vistula in 1945. Despite the fact that the German army had been totally annihilated by the Russian and Allied advance, and was only a matter of time.

There was a actual miracle on the Vistula, back in the 18th century in a war with Russia and Prussia. The Russian czar died, and was replaced on the throne by a extreme Prussophile or just a complete moron.The war was going extremely well for Russia, and Russian troops had smashed the Prussian army and were marching towards the Vistula and Berlin. The new Russian emperor in a bought of insanity, halted his army and settled for a white peace with Prussia, despite being able to take Berlin.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 01:10:46 AM »

In winter 1945, just months before the war in Europe would end, Hitler was ecstatic at the news of Roosevelts death. He felt that this was a sign of divine providence and there would be a new miracle on the Vistula in 1945. Despite the fact that the German army had been totally annihilated by the Russian and Allied advance, and was only a matter of time.

There was a actual miracle on the Vistula, back in the 18th century in a war with Russia and Prussia. The Russian czar died, and was replaced on the throne by a extreme Prussophile or just a complete moron.The war was going extremely well for Russia, and Russian troops had smashed the Prussian army and were marching towards the Vistula and Berlin. The new Russian emperor in a bought of insanity, halted his army and settled for a white peace with Prussia, despite being able to take Berlin.


Peter III wasn't "insane," he just had policy goals 180 degrees opposed from the Empress Elizabeth's and disapproved of going to war with Prussia to begin with. Withdrawing and making peace right on the verge of victory might seem insane, but Peter III didn't think Russia should be at war with Prussia at all and wanted to end the war with his hero as soon as possible.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 01:02:55 PM »

In winter 1945, just months before the war in Europe would end, Hitler was ecstatic at the news of Roosevelts death. He felt that this was a sign of divine providence and there would be a new miracle on the Vistula in 1945. Despite the fact that the German army had been totally annihilated by the Russian and Allied advance, and was only a matter of time.

There was a actual miracle on the Vistula, back in the 18th century in a war with Russia and Prussia. The Russian czar died, and was replaced on the throne by a extreme Prussophile or just a complete moron.The war was going extremely well for Russia, and Russian troops had smashed the Prussian army and were marching towards the Vistula and Berlin. The new Russian emperor in a bought of insanity, halted his army and settled for a white peace with Prussia, despite being able to take Berlin.


Peter III wasn't "insane," he just had policy goals 180 degrees opposed from the Empress Elizabeth's and disapproved of going to war with Prussia to begin with. Withdrawing and making peace right on the verge of victory might seem insane, but Peter III didn't think Russia should be at war with Prussia at all and wanted to end the war with his hero as soon as possible.

Peter III being born in Germany and being ethnically German would certainly make things more complicated as well.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 03:14:36 PM »

Also, keeping Prussia around as a viable counterweight to the Habsburgs is a perfectly reasonable thing for Russia to want then.
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2017, 03:26:14 PM »

In winter 1945, just months before the war in Europe would end, Hitler was ecstatic at the news of Roosevelts death. He felt that this was a sign of divine providence and there would be a new miracle on the Vistula in 1945. Despite the fact that the German army had been totally annihilated by the Russian and Allied advance, and was only a matter of time.

There was a actual miracle on the Vistula, back in the 18th century in a war with Russia and Prussia. The Russian czar died, and was replaced on the throne by a extreme Prussophile or just a complete moron.The war was going extremely well for Russia, and Russian troops had smashed the Prussian army and were marching towards the Vistula and Berlin. The new Russian emperor in a bought of insanity, halted his army and settled for a white peace with Prussia, despite being able to take Berlin.


Actually, it was already spiring 1945 when FDR died and Hitler indeed believed it was the second "miracle of the House of Brandenburg" (the "Vistula miracle" was something else).
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 10:16:56 AM »
« Edited: September 17, 2017, 10:25:52 AM by Great Again VI: The Bane of Bannon »

Obviously Himmler's case is well known. He believed he'll convince the Americans they need SS to hold Europe after the war and thus he'll be in perfect position to take over during peacetime. At least, when this illusion fell apart, Himmler came to realize he's screwed and took the easy way out.

Goering believed that due to his status as designated heir, as well as the fact he wasn't officially involved with "those SS swines", he'll be the one taking over with the allies' approval, or, at the very least, will be treated with honors. Didn't work out.

Speer was certain he'll be asked by the allies to help out during reconstruction of Germany and that might be a reason he sabotaged Hitler's scorched earth policy.

But the funniest example was Kaltenbrunner planning to set up and lead a postwar government in Austria.

That's because the Nazis thought of themselves as the "good guys".

They believed that the "inevitable" conflict with the Soviet Union was ideologically and racially based, but at the same time they also foolishly thought that they had merely a policy disagreement/conflict of interest with the non-communist Anglo-Saxon nations. They couldn't comprehend that the Western Allies would regard them as "evil".
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2017, 12:57:05 PM »

Oh, I forgot about probably the most hilariously pathetic instance. While in hiding Ribbentrop believed he'll still have a major diplomatic role to play, and when arrested, they found a letter on him, addressed to "Vincent Churchill".

As Goering remarked later during the trail "Ribbentrop deserves to be hanged for his stupidity".
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