Clinton on Maddow last night. Why do people hate her?

[Santander]

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying something. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

We might need more women running, but anything but more Hillarys

No, we need more Hillary's until the rage she inspires is drawn out root and branch, and ground into dust.

That's never happened with hate in the history of the world.  It just festers and gets worse.

Hate has been defeated. When the first women's conventions were held in the 1850s, men literally rioted at the prospect of a woman speaking in public. It's all about socialization.

They weren't protesting because they "hated" women.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

I don't like Clinton because I disagree with her policices.

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying a lot. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

This is the liberal equivalent to "I don't like Trump, but I vote for him anyway because he makes duh libruhls mad!!!". Depressing how so many people approach politics in this tribalistic way.

[MasterJedi]

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying something. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

We might need more women running, but anything but more Hillarys

No, we need more Hillary's until the rage she inspires is drawn out root and branch, and ground into dust.

That's never happened with hate in the history of the world.  It just festers and gets worse.

Hate has been defeated. When the first women's conventions were held in the 1850s, men literally rioted at the prospect of a woman speaking in public. It's all about socialization.

Time will make it better as the grumpy dinosaurs keep on passing.

[Santander]

I don't like Clinton because I disagree with her policices.

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying a lot. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

This is the liberal equivalent to "I don't like Trump, but I vote for him anyway because he makes duh libruhls mad!!!". Depressing how so many people approach politics in this tribalistic way.

Trolling is what makes life worth living.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying something. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

We might need more women running, but anything but more Hillarys

No, we need more Hillary's until the rage she inspires is drawn out root and branch, and ground into dust.

That's never happened with hate in the history of the world.  It just festers and gets worse.

Hate has been defeated. When the first women's conventions were held in the 1850s, men literally rioted at the prospect of a woman speaking in public. It's all about socialization.

Time will make it better as the grumpy dinosaurs keep on passing.

Oh I'm going to irritate you for a long long time.....enjoy!

[JA]

This thread is a good reminder of why I stopped self-identifying as a Democrat...

[publicunofficial]

Y'know I could make threads saying anyone who likes Hillary just has mommy issues but that'd be an unacceptable troll thread.

This thread is a good reminder of why I stopped self-identifying as a Democrat...

Pretty much.

[publicunofficial]

A good idea when addressing criticisms of Hillary Clinton is to ask yourself "Could I use this same defense of Hillary word for word to dismiss criticisms of Margaret Thatcher?" and if the answer is yes, delete your post and start over.

Ehh...the problem with Thatcher was her politics, not her competence.

The problem with Hillary is her politics.

[Santander]

A good idea when addressing criticisms of Hillary Clinton is to ask yourself "Could I use this same defense of Hillary word for word to dismiss criticisms of Margaret Thatcher?" and if the answer is yes, delete your post and start over.

Ehh...the problem with Thatcher was her politics, not her competence.

The problem with Hillary is her politics.

This is true. Anyone who voted for the Iraq War, which was an obvious farce based on a pack of lies, does not have the judgement to be president.

Thank God we elected Trump, then.

[RINO Tom]

Because she's a woman. It really is that simple.

If you try to get people to explain why they don't like her, a lot of it boils down to her being bossy or not showing enough emotion, which are ways we try to keep women in the kitchen. Other than that, people often can't come up with a reason. "I just don't!" Hence, "but her emails!"

Women are not immune from reacting this way. I, especially when younger, felt the same way about her. But when I actually listened to her and paid attention to her policy ideas, I found someone who is compassionate and loving, though maybe a bit brash. But in a man we'd excuse the brashness, or even welcome it.

So, yeah. I don't like the hate she gets, and I wish many folks would actually listen to her (she's more right-wing than I am, especially in regards to war; I think a lot of the Never Trump Republicans would have voted for her if they had been given a list of policies to vote on without a name attached), as they'd find someone who is quite often what we claim to want in politics. She's not perfect, by any means, and is certainly part of the political machine, but I think when it comes to a president, that's a much more effective option. That said, I do "understand" the hate she gets because it's baked into our culture. It sucks. She doesn't deserve it.

Start over.  Plenty of non-self-hating women hate her.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Anyone (I'm looking at you Hagrid) who enthusiastically supported Clinton - ie, voting for her not as the lesser of two evils - is essentially a bad person.

[BlueSwan]

Maybe it's because she speaks so condescendingly, attempted to hide an email scandal, lost a very winnable race, is still dividing the Democratic Party, etc.

It's not because she's a woman. It's because of who she is as a person.

Basically this. Anyone who falls back onto the tired old "you hate her because she's a woman" schtick is pretty pathetic. Sure, there are likely many people who dislike her because of her gender; that seems to be a particular problem with liberal female politicians. But there are plenty of reasons for people, left and right, to dislike her aside from that. Personally, I never trusted her, I didn't think she'd do half the things she promised, she always seemed rather condescending, and she seemed far too dependent on all those technocratic techniques of trying to win an election. Her voting history was uninspiring, her picking Kaine was disappointing, the entire premise of her campaign was despiriting, and the fact that she continues to relitigate her failed campaign and blame her failures, at least in part, on her Democratic rival who was far too kind to her, shows what a sorry loser she is too.

Those are all reasons for being underwhelmed with her, or finding her uninspired or boring. Those are not reasons to hate a person with passion.

John Kerry isn't hated for running a lacklustre campaign and losing to GWB. Neither is Al Gore, who "lost" in a somewhat similar fashion to Hillary. Neither is Mitt Romney. All of those guys were boring technocrats who don't campaign very well, but are strong on substance - much like Hillary. Except for the chromosomes.

[BlueSwan]

Anyone (I'm looking at you Hagrid) who enthusiastically supported Clinton - ie, voting for her not as the lesser of two evils - is essentially a bad person.

How?

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

How did mondale get so awesome overnight! Savage!

Neither is Mitt Romney.

Believe me, Mitt Romney is hated much more than Hillary. That guy is a complete trainwreck.

[BlueSwan]

A good idea when addressing criticisms of Hillary Clinton is to ask yourself "Could I use this same defense of Hillary word for word to dismiss criticisms of Margaret Thatcher?" and if the answer is yes, delete your post and start over.

Ehh...the problem with Thatcher was her politics, not her competence.

The problem with Hillary is her politics.

This is true. Anyone who voted for the Iraq War, which was an obvious farce based on a pack of lies, does not have the judgement to be president.

She did so very reluctancly, contrary to urban legend. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html

[BlueSwan]

How did mondale get so awesome overnight! Savage!

Neither is Mitt Romney.

Believe me, Mitt Romney is hated much more than Hillary. That guy is a complete trainwreck.

What? No he isn't. Show me the polls.

[BlueSwan]

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying a lot. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

Exactly!

[publicunofficial]

A good idea when addressing criticisms of Hillary Clinton is to ask yourself "Could I use this same defense of Hillary word for word to dismiss criticisms of Margaret Thatcher?" and if the answer is yes, delete your post and start over.

Ehh...the problem with Thatcher was her politics, not her competence.

The problem with Hillary is her politics.

This is true. Anyone who voted for the Iraq War, which was an obvious farce based on a pack of lies, does not have the judgement to be president.

She did so very reluctancly, contrary to urban legend. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html

Oh well that makes it ok then.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

A good idea when addressing criticisms of Hillary Clinton is to ask yourself "Could I use this same defense of Hillary word for word to dismiss criticisms of Margaret Thatcher?" and if the answer is yes, delete your post and start over.

Ehh...the problem with Thatcher was her politics, not her competence.

The problem with Hillary is her politics.

This is true. Anyone who voted for the Iraq War, which was an obvious farce based on a pack of lies, does not have the judgement to be president.

She did so very reluctancly, contrary to urban legend. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html

Lmao.

[TheSaint250]

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying a lot. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

Nah. It shows that we hate decades-old corruption, large sense of selfishness, and a belief of entitlement to the White House.

We also dislike her policies. You are speaking like the people who say hatred for Obama was only because he was black. It's not about race or gender. It's about who you are as a person, and Hillary is a horrible person.

[BlueSwan]

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying a lot. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

Nah. It shows that we hate decades-old corruption, large sense of selfishness, and a belief of entitlement to the White House.

We also dislike her policies. You are speaking like the people who say hatred for Obama was only because he was black. It's not about race or gender. It's about who you are as a person, and Hillary is a horrible person.

Are you seriously saying that people hated Barack Obama because of who he was as a person? One of the cleanest family values presidents in US history?

[Santander]

A good idea when addressing criticisms of Hillary Clinton is to ask yourself "Could I use this same defense of Hillary word for word to dismiss criticisms of Margaret Thatcher?" and if the answer is yes, delete your post and start over.

Ehh...the problem with Thatcher was her politics, not her competence.

The problem with Hillary is her politics.

This is true. Anyone who voted for the Iraq War, which was an obvious farce based on a pack of lies, does not have the judgement to be president.

She did so very reluctancly, contrary to urban legend. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html

Oh well that makes it ok then.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

How did mondale get so awesome overnight! Savage!

Neither is Mitt Romney.

Believe me, Mitt Romney is hated much more than Hillary. That guy is a complete trainwreck.

What? No he isn't. Show me the polls.

You are speaking about passion. Lots of us passionately hate Romney. Polls go up and down depending on that person's status at the time. It was not always like that with Hillary until she changed who she was.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/mitt-romney-favorability
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

Romney was 40/51 in March immediately after losing and the base falling out. Looks like the latest Hillary is 41/54 after being high for quite some time - whereas Mitt was never loved by the vast majority of the nation. It has gotten worse from there as she continues to be an ungracious loser and complete national embarrassment.

[publicunofficial]

For the record, all of the most fervent Bernie supporters that I personally know (Not just anonymous faces on the internet) are women. Including my 87 year old grandmother.

[TheSaint250]

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying a lot. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

Nah. It shows that we hate decades-old corruption, large sense of selfishness, and a belief of entitlement to the White House.

We also dislike her policies. You are speaking like the people who say hatred for Obama was only because he was black. It's not about race or gender. It's about who you are as a person, and Hillary is a horrible person.

Are you seriously saying that people hated Barack Obama because of who he was as a person? One of the cleanest family values presidents in US history?

No that was more the policy aspect. I misspoke there, but my point was that people are judged based on who they are and the policies they espouse.