Clinton on Maddow last night. Why do people hate her?

[heatcharger]

Because Hillary Clinton actively and avidly seeks to destroy huge swathes of the electorate in order to fortify her own position. Hillary would be happy to watch my relatives in WV starve to death, because there is "no room" for them in her America.  Anyone who voted for her with the desire to see her as President as opposed to a desire to see Donald Trump not be President is effectively endorsing this.

Very unfair!

Agreed friend. Its about as unfair as when many Democrats claim that anyone who opposes whatever awful healthcare bill or gun ban they propose literally want millions of poors to die in the streets. I remember hearing a lot of that when the Pubs in our State wouldn't approve McAwful's medicaid expansion.

Hmm, I happen to think if we accepted the Medicaid dollars we already pay for, less people would die as a result of lack of access to quality care, but our do-nothing state legislature doesn't seem to think so. Cause you know, compassionate conservatism!

And with the Trump administration actively sabotaging the ACA exchanges, the Medicaid expansion would mean people, especially in rural VA, have an option considering the only insurer in large swaths of the state was set to withdraw*.

*Luckily, our great governor is a deal-maker and just announced Anthem is staying and won't leave 63 localities in SW VA without an insurer.

[BlueSwan]

Maybe it's because she speaks so condescendingly, attempted to hide an email scandal, lost a very winnable race, is still dividing the Democratic Party, etc.

It's not because she's a woman. It's because of who she is as a person.

Basically this. Anyone who falls back onto the tired old "you hate her because she's a woman" schtick is pretty pathetic. Sure, there are likely many people who dislike her because of her gender; that seems to be a particular problem with liberal female politicians. But there are plenty of reasons for people, left and right, to dislike her aside from that. Personally, I never trusted her, I didn't think she'd do half the things she promised, she always seemed rather condescending, and she seemed far too dependent on all those technocratic techniques of trying to win an election. Her voting history was uninspiring, her picking Kaine was disappointing, the entire premise of her campaign was despiriting, and the fact that she continues to relitigate her failed campaign and blame her failures, at least in part, on her Democratic rival who was far too kind to her, shows what a sorry loser she is too.

Those are all reasons for being underwhelmed with her, or finding her uninspired or boring. Those are not reasons to hate a person with passion.

John Kerry isn't hated for running a lacklustre campaign and losing to GWB. Neither is Al Gore, who "lost" in a somewhat similar fashion to Hillary. Neither is Mitt Romney. All of those guys were boring technocrats who don't campaign very well, but are strong on substance - much like Hillary. Except for the chromosomes.

Except that I never said I hate her, let alone with a passion. I voted for her in November and, against any Republican, I'd vote for her again (unenthusiastically). With that said, I find the way she has voted, handled her position as SoS, and campaigned to be incredibly disappointing, her conduct in regards to Wall Street and other elites frustrating (that applies to Obama and all the others as well), and her willingness to do whatever it takes to win (including running a racist campaign against Obama in '08 and switching positions on major issues like TPP in '16) disgusting. She's the embodiment of what millions of Americans hate about our political establishment. People found her so repugnant that the majority voted third party, abstained, or voted for the ultimate bigoted dumbass known as Trump.

Fair enough. But the thread is about how she inspires such vitriolic hatred.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Because Hillary Clinton actively and avidly seeks to destroy huge swathes of the electorate in order to fortify her own position. Hillary would be happy to watch my relatives in WV starve to death, because there is "no room" for them in her America.  Anyone who voted for her with the desire to see her as President as opposed to a desire to see Donald Trump not be President is effectively endorsing this.

Very unfair!

It is too bad. It's also too bad your beloved leader decided to permit the completion of the Keystone XL pipeline, something that will only speed up the rot of whatever heroin-infested hellhole your aunts live in. At least they were lucky enough to be spared Hillary's Final Solution for rural whites!

And this why I hold you in equal contempt as her, "socialist"-VA.

[MasterJedi]

Because Hillary Clinton actively and avidly seeks to destroy huge swathes of the electorate in order to fortify her own position. Hillary would be happy to watch my relatives in WV starve to death, because there is "no room" for them in her America.  Anyone who voted for her with the desire to see her as President as opposed to a desire to see Donald Trump not be President is effectively endorsing this.

Very unfair!

It is too bad. It's also too bad your beloved leader decided to permit the completion of the Keystone XL pipeline, something that will only speed up the rot of whatever heroin-infested hellhole your aunts live in. At least they were lucky enough to be spared Hillary's Final Solution for rural whites!

And this why I hold you in equal contempt as her, "socialist"-VA.

Shouldn't your aunt and brother have personal responsibility and pull themselves up by their bootstraps? If they need government help they're just worthless commies who should die in your ideology.

[publicunofficial]

Because Hillary Clinton actively and avidly seeks to destroy huge swathes of the electorate in order to fortify her own position. Hillary would be happy to watch my relatives in WV starve to death, because there is "no room" for them in her America.  Anyone who voted for her with the desire to see her as President as opposed to a desire to see Donald Trump not be President is effectively endorsing this.

Very unfair!

It is too bad. It's also too bad your beloved leader decided to permit the completion of the Keystone XL pipeline, something that will only speed up the rot of whatever heroin-infested hellhole your aunts live in. At least they were lucky enough to be spared Hillary's Final Solution for rural whites!

And this why I hold you in equal contempt as her, "socialist"-VA.

Shouldn't your aunt and brother have personal responsibility and pull themselves up by their bootstraps? If they need government help they're just worthless commies who should die in your ideology.

You guys are assholes.

[heatcharger]

Because Hillary Clinton actively and avidly seeks to destroy huge swathes of the electorate in order to fortify her own position. Hillary would be happy to watch my relatives in WV starve to death, because there is "no room" for them in her America.  Anyone who voted for her with the desire to see her as President as opposed to a desire to see Donald Trump not be President is effectively endorsing this.

Very unfair!

It is too bad. It's also too bad your beloved leader decided to permit the completion of the Keystone XL pipeline, something that will only speed up the rot of whatever heroin-infested hellhole your aunts live in. At least they were lucky enough to be spared Hillary's Final Solution for rural whites!

And this why I hold you in equal contempt as her, "socialist"-VA.

Was it a bit hyperbolic and mean-spirited? Did you not like that? I was hoping you got the point.

[JA]

Because Hillary Clinton actively and avidly seeks to destroy huge swathes of the electorate in order to fortify her own position. Hillary would be happy to watch my relatives in WV starve to death, because there is "no room" for them in her America.  Anyone who voted for her with the desire to see her as President as opposed to a desire to see Donald Trump not be President is effectively endorsing this.

Very unfair!

It is too bad. It's also too bad your beloved leader decided to permit the completion of the Keystone XL pipeline, something that will only speed up the rot of whatever heroin-infested hellhole your aunts live in. At least they were lucky enough to be spared Hillary's Final Solution for rural whites!

And this why I hold you in equal contempt as her, "socialist"-VA.

Shouldn't your aunt and brother have personal responsibility and pull themselves up by their bootstraps? If they need government help they're just worthless commies who should die in your ideology.

You guys are assholes.

[Badger]

Anyone (I'm looking at you Hagrid) who enthusiastically supported Clinton - ie, voting for her not as the lesser of two evils - is essentially a bad person.

How?

Because Hillary Clinton actively and avidly seeks to destroy huge swathes of the electorate in order to fortify her own position. Hillary would be happy to watch my relatives in WV starve to death, because there is "no room" for them in her America.  Anyone who voted for her with the desire to see her as President as opposed to a desire to see Donald Trump not be President is effectively endorsing this.

That's delusional.

Google "Margaret Thatcher" and "coal mines."

Please don't give Hillary Clinton the dignity of being compared to Margaret Thatcher, however much you may dislike both.

Yes. That is insanely unfair comparison for Hillary.

[Inmate Trump]

Maybe it's because she speaks so condescendingly, attempted to hide an email scandal, lost a very winnable race, is still dividing the Democratic Party, etc.

It's not because she's a woman. It's because of who she is as a person.

Trump voters hate Hillary because of who she is as a person?  Well if that isn't hypocritical then I don't know what is!

[AtorBoltox]

The hatred of her from the right makes no sense, but for the left it does

[Mr. Smith]

The hatred of her from the right makes no sense, but for the left it does

Makes plenty of sense actually:

1. She helped Bill dethrone St. Ronnie's Reich when his anointed successor was defeated in '92. [The first great sin. Never question St. Ronnie...EVER!]

2. Bill was a lying philanderer, Trump was honest about his philandering at least.

3. She defended said philanderer and went back out there trying to be a champion.

4. Despite all the cottage mill hackery, she still kept beating the odds, and only barely snagged a loss thanks to a middleman agent serving himself. All those investigations, all the hysteria, and she still won the popular vote

5. They had to resort to a crass, vulgar, immoral, policy saboteur instead of golden boys like Rubio to even get that far. And now the result is dysfunction and emptiness despite what should've been a win.

[Pericles]

Because she's a horrible person?

No, she really isn't. But Donald Trump, who you still idolize blindly, is absolutely a horrible person.

[darklordoftech]

The answer to the OP is that the Republican Party was taken over by John Birchers in 1994. They think that Hillary shot Chris Stevens, wanted Al-Qaeda to read the CIA's emails, wants to send SWAT teams into people's houses to take their guns, goes to hospitals and shoots babies, etc.

[GGover]

Maybe because she's a capitalist neoliberal pig dog who exploits and lies to working class Americans for power.

[Technocracy Timmy]

The answer to the OP is that the Republican Party was taken over by John Birchers in 1994. They think that Hillary shot Chris Stevens, wanted Al-Qaeda to read the CIA's emails, wants to send SWAT teams into people's houses to take their guns, goes to hospitals and shoots babies, etc.

This. And unfortunately the far left have been taken over by Putin sympathizers and constantly attacks Democrats when 99% of their anger should be directed at the GOP.

[BlueSwan]

The answer to the OP is that the Republican Party was taken over by John Birchers in 1994. They think that Hillary shot Chris Stevens, wanted Al-Qaeda to read the CIA's emails, wants to send SWAT teams into people's houses to take their guns, goes to hospitals and shoots babies, etc.

This. And unfortunately the far left have been taken over by Putin sympathizers and constantly attacks Democrats when 99% of their anger should be directed at the GOP.

Agreed.

[Rookie Yinzer]

The answer to the OP is that the Republican Party was taken over by John Birchers in 1994. They think that Hillary shot Chris Stevens, wanted Al-Qaeda to read the CIA's emails, wants to send SWAT teams into people's houses to take their guns, goes to hospitals and shoots babies, etc.

This. And unfortunately the far left have been taken over by Putin sympathizers and constantly attacks Democrats when 99% of their anger should be directed at the GOP.

Agreed.

[Yank2133]

Anyone (I'm looking at you Hagrid) who enthusiastically supported Clinton - ie, voting for her not as the lesser of two evils - is essentially a bad person.

How?

Because Hillary Clinton actively and avidly seeks to destroy huge swathes of the electorate in order to fortify her own position. Hillary would be happy to watch my relatives in WV starve to death, because there is "no room" for them in her America.  Anyone who voted for her with the desire to see her as President as opposed to a desire to see Donald Trump not be President is effectively endorsing this.

She is literally the only person who came up with a plan to help these people, despite benefitting in no way politically from it.

Don't bother, Sanchez has long gone off the deep end.