Clinton on Maddow last night. Why do people hate her?

[TheSaint250]

Maybe it's because she speaks so condescendingly, attempted to hide an email scandal, lost a very winnable race, is still dividing the Democratic Party, etc.

It's not because she's a woman. It's because of who she is as a person.

[TheSaint250]

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying a lot. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

Nah. It shows that we hate decades-old corruption, large sense of selfishness, and a belief of entitlement to the White House.

We also dislike her policies. You are speaking like the people who say hatred for Obama was only because he was black. It's not about race or gender. It's about who you are as a person, and Hillary is a horrible person.

[TheSaint250]

No one is saying that Hillary is a great political genius or ran a wonderful campaign - although she did get further than any other woman in history, may well get further than any woman in her generation (older boomers born 1946-55) ever will, which is saying a lot. It's the the vitriolic reaction to her that is so over-the-top that it has exposed what a misogynistic society we live in, and that's why Hillary is a hero for exposing it, and that's why we need more Hillarys.

Nah. It shows that we hate decades-old corruption, large sense of selfishness, and a belief of entitlement to the White House.

We also dislike her policies. You are speaking like the people who say hatred for Obama was only because he was black. It's not about race or gender. It's about who you are as a person, and Hillary is a horrible person.

Are you seriously saying that people hated Barack Obama because of who he was as a person? One of the cleanest family values presidents in US history?

No that was more the policy aspect. I misspoke there, but my point was that people are judged based on who they are and the policies they espouse.

[TheSaint250]

A good idea when addressing criticisms of Hillary Clinton is to ask yourself "Could I use this same defense of Hillary word for word to dismiss criticisms of Margaret Thatcher?" and if the answer is yes, delete your post and start over.

Ehh...the problem with Thatcher was her politics, not her competence.

The problem with Hillary is her politics.

Hillarys rather moderate stances are hardly ones to inspire true hatred.

Ok she's not a moderate.

[TheSaint250]

A good idea when addressing criticisms of Hillary Clinton is to ask yourself "Could I use this same defense of Hillary word for word to dismiss criticisms of Margaret Thatcher?" and if the answer is yes, delete your post and start over.

Ehh...the problem with Thatcher was her politics, not her competence.

The problem with Hillary is her politics.

Hillarys rather moderate stances are hardly ones to inspire true hatred.

Ok she's not a moderate.

I actually agree. She's a progressive at heart, but a pragmatic politician and as such her actual proposals are fairly moderate.

Nope. She's something in between and takes policy ideas when it's convenient.

[TheSaint250]

She has not taken responsibility. She has blamed Comey, Russia, Sanders, and more. She'll never willingly admit that she was the reason for losing to Trump.