What if we replaced the Senate with a "Council of the Governors"?
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« on: September 19, 2017, 08:47:18 PM »
« edited: September 19, 2017, 08:51:43 PM by Blue3 »

What if we replaced the Senate with a "Council of the Governors"?

Instead of 100 Senators, whatever the House passed would be voted on by a Council made of the 50 Governors (and they wouldn't all need to be in the same place in order to vote on it, they could vote on it from their state capitol buildings). Perhaps the Council officially convenes one day a month, to review any bills the House has passed, with special sessions able to be called in case of emergency. It would probably be best if this "Council of the Governors" didn't write legislation, just reviewed the House's legislation. The Governor position in most states is largely powerless, this would give them something to do and make them more relevant.

(The GOP Senators like Murkowski and McCain, on-the-fence on ObamaCare and thinking of deferring to their Governors... and the fact that the Senate is supposed to exist as the voice of The States, but it was designed before near-instantaneous communication was invented... inspired this idea.)
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2017, 08:48:57 PM »

Or what if we scrapped the Senate altogether and replaced it with nothing so that our government would be more democratic and representative?
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2017, 08:50:02 PM »

Or what if we scrapped the Senate altogether and replaced it with nothing so that our government would be more democratic and representative?
I've advocated for that too. This could be a half-way step.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2017, 09:06:34 PM »

Or what if we scrapped the Senate altogether and replaced it with nothing so that our government would be more democratic and representative?

If the senate didn't exist, the "American" Health Care Act would be law right now.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2017, 10:38:00 PM »

The imperial senate will no longer be of any concern to us.The Regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 10:40:00 PM »

Let's not remove or replace the Senate with anything until we have reformed the House first. 
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2017, 10:41:35 PM »

The imperial senate will no longer be of any concern to us.The Regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line.
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2017, 11:14:16 PM »
« Edited: September 19, 2017, 11:17:37 PM by Cashew »

Or what if we scrapped the Senate altogether and replaced it with nothing so that our government would be more democratic and representative?
I've advocated for that too. This could be a half-way step.

Discussing abolishing the senate should be done anyway even if only for the sake of making your idea look more realistic and moderate. My ideal upper house would be stripped of most legislative power, and instead be relegated to war, treaties, and impeachment.

Or what if we scrapped the Senate altogether and replaced it with nothing so that our government would be more democratic and representative?

If the senate didn't exist, the "American" Health Care Act would be law right now.

Invalid argument, you literally have no way of knowing this. Your hypothetical does not exist in a vacuum and would inevitably alter the direction of American politics in unknowable ways.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 11:14:55 PM »

Or what if we scrapped the Senate altogether and replaced it with nothing so that our government would be more democratic and representative?

If the senate didn't exist, the "American" Health Care Act would be law right now.
Not if a majority of Governors vetoed it. Many GOP governors seemed quite opposed to it.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 11:15:27 PM »

I AM THE SENATE.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2017, 11:25:57 PM »
« Edited: September 19, 2017, 11:30:36 PM by Cashew »

Or what if we scrapped the Senate altogether and replaced it with nothing so that our government would be more democratic and representative?

If the senate didn't exist, the "American" Health Care Act would be law right now.
Not if a majority of Governors vetoed it. Many GOP governors seemed quite opposed to it.

You don't seem to get it, it's a struggle to get to the root of the issue and have a good faith discussion with these people. The last time I tried discussing the senate the other side responded with nothing but appeals to tradition and hackish consequentialism, now inducing a few myopic hypotheticals.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2017, 12:17:11 AM »

It's the Senate that rightly stalls the most reckless and destructive legislation possible in the House. We have some piece-of-work Governors (Scott Walker, Paul LePage, Rick Scott) whom I would not trust with my civil liberties.
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